A moody, or legit?

[HarlemShuffle]

I have seen some people push their stacks towards the line as if to bet but then stop just before the line. Some tables dont have lines. If the player shouts call as the stack is being pushed what happens? I see this happen quite often. I don't think you'd usually get a read from a decent player by doing this. No offence, but I think it's a bit of a cheap shot at getting a read. It's kinda like saying "I'm going to raise................. my hand." to get a read on someone.

[tikay]

if this is compis view, (whoever compo is) tell him to save any money he invests in poker and take up conkers cos the outcome will be the same ..............................................................he will end up with a sore wrist playin both games.............


this is the simplest form of psychological play to get a reaction of a player , ...... it is a gme with principles  , yes, but competitive advantage is the  key over such a long game. 

this is a basic play , go forbid if he saw some real "tell casts"

"Compo" is Dave Compton, Racing Commentator Legend. To be fair, as I stated earlier in the thread, I misquoted him. What he said was "if you did that against me, I'd insta-push all-in". Sorry for the confusion, memory problems here. And he has a very fine game indeed, & his played to cashed ratio is extraordinary, including a cracking $13,000 score in Vegas.

[tikay]

I have seen some people push their stacks towards the line as if to bet but then stop just before the line. Some tables dont have lines. If the player shouts call as the stack is being pushed what happens? I see this happen quite often. I don't think you'd usually get a read from a decent player by doing this. No offence, but I think it's a bit of a cheap shot at getting a read. It's kinda like saying "I'm going to raise................. my hand." to get a read on someone.

Thanks - but why would you deem that "a cheap shot". I'm not arguing, just curious,. I wish to play my poker entirely within the spirit of the game, not just the Rules, of the game, & this interests me greatly.

[tikay]

perfectly legitimate way of gaining info. much more sporting that aggressive, insulting table talk.

If you can't keep your emotions in check when someone is counting chips or asking you a civilised question, you have no business playing poker.

Thanks Adam. I do speech-play galore, but just (attempted) "humorous" stuff, and never in a million years would I dream of going down the "malicious/insulting speech-play" road. I don't play poker to be insulted by anyone, so that cuts both ways.

[AdamM]

absolutely

I love watching good speech players work. people who keep some class at the same time. couple that spring to mind, I sat next to Lawrence Gosney in my first £100 rebuy at notts a few years ago and it was a joy to watch. I also remember Brian Wilson on the BPO a couple of years ago. Was never once insulting or rude, but never shut up. Negraneu isalso a class act at seemingly friendly chat while he's riffling through your subconscious.

I don't think moving chips around is the say as saying "I raise.......................my hand." That's clearly angle shooting and you should be made to put in a minimum raise if you did that.

[HarlemShuffle]

I have seen some people push their stacks towards the line as if to bet but then stop just before the line. Some tables dont have lines. If the player shouts call as the stack is being pushed what happens? I see this happen quite often. I don't think you'd usually get a read from a decent player by doing this. No offence, but I think it's a bit of a cheap shot at getting a read. It's kinda like saying "I'm going to raise................. my hand." to get a read on someone.

Thanks - but why would you deem that "a cheap shot". I'm not arguing, just curious,. I wish to play my poker entirely within the spirit of the game, not just the Rules, of the game, & this interests me greatly.

hmmm.... sorry, cheap shot is the wrong term to use. I just think that if it's an instant call for the other person you could trick him into saying call a bit too early. Also, I've seen this tactic used to make people fold out of turn.

[MANTIS01]

A good poker player assesses the actions of his/her opponent and tries to decipher what the truth of the matter is.

A good poker player uses his actions to muddy the waters so his/her opponent finds it difficult to arrive at the truth of the matter.

This is poker.

If all actions were genuine the game would be rather boring.

If you are not being rude to another player and not breaking any rules then you are entitled to do whatever you want to throw your opponent off the scent. It is then up to your opponent to judge what is genuine and what's not. Wearing shades and a cap is the same principle...you are concealing. Slow-playing is the same...you are concealing. Bluffing is the same...you are concealing.

I enjoy playing with those players who will kick and fight their way through every pot...not willing to give an inch. This is how the game should be played. I don't expect an easy ride from anyone and they don't expect an easy ride from me. To get your opponent to think one thing while the reality is something else is the fundamental principle of the game. Throwing off reverse tells does not make you an angle-shooter...it makes you a competitive player.

[quantify]

if this is compis view, (whoever compo is) tell him to save any money he invests in poker and take up conkers cos the outcome will be the same ..............................................................he will end up with a sore wrist playin both games.............


this is the simplest form of psychological play to get a reaction of a player , ...... it is a gme with principles  , yes, but competitive advantage is the  key over such a long game. 

this is a basic play , go forbid if he saw some real "tell casts"

"Compo" is Dave Compton, Racing Commentator Legend. To be fair, as I stated earlier in the thread, I misquoted him. What he said was "if you did that against me, I'd insta-push all-in". Sorry for the confusion, memory problems here. And he has a very fine game indeed, & his played to cashed ratio is extraordinary, including a cracking $13,000 score in Vegas.

must hve lost the humour of the post in the typing ..............i know compos yer mate and i gathered  he was tellin you he cud read you but alas it got lost somehow.



as for table talk ........nah not going there ......................................

[snoopy1239]

When I was all-in in yesterday's London GUKPT heat, Lam Trinh grabbed his stack and went to push them in but stopped just before the line. I almost leapt at my cards to turn my winning hand over as I wasn't looking directly at him and so could easily have assumed that he'd pushed them over the line. Luckily I didn't do that and he did eventually call anyhow, but was his feint bad sportsmanship or just part of the game?

[boldie]

When I was all-in in yesterday's London GUKPT heat, Lam Trinh grabbed his stack and went to push them in but stopped just before the line. I almost leapt at my cards to turn my winning hand over as I wasn't looking directly at him and so could easily have assumed that he'd pushed them over the line. Luckily I didn't do that and he did eventually call anyhow, but was his feint bad sportsmanship or just part of the game?

bad sportsmanship in my book..

[Compo]

I love conkers

[FlyingPig]

absolutely

I love watching good speech players work. people who keep some class at the same time. couple that spring to mind, I sat next to Lawrence Gosney in my first £100 rebuy at notts a few years ago and it was a joy to watch. I also remember Brian Wilson on the BPO a couple of years ago. Was never once insulting or rude, but never shut up. Negraneu isalso a class act at seemingly friendly chat while he's riffling through your subconscious.

I don't think moving chips around is the say as saying "I raise.......................my hand." That's clearly angle shooting and you should be made to put in a minimum raise if you did that.

One Roberto Romanello is great at speech play. When he was at the table in Cardiff it was a master class of speech play. It was all friendly and fuuny, but it was designed to get information, and I have to say he was really good.

[kinboshi]

I'm bonkers.

[quantify]

When I was all-in in yesterday's London GUKPT heat, Lam Trinh grabbed his stack and went to push them in but stopped just before the line. I almost leapt at my cards to turn my winning hand over as I wasn't looking directly at him and so could easily have assumed that he'd pushed them over the line. Luckily I didn't do that and he did eventually call anyhow, but was his feint bad sportsmanship or just part of the game?

how can you say this is offside booder its a class way of gettin a tell ........... it worked , it was just lam shudd folded.......... i have to say i am guilty of catching lamwith the exact same play , snoops if he is still in ask him when it was done to him.

lam is aggresive was also sat on my left , he flat called me al the way to the river , i value bet the river cos a gutshot filledin , but i didnt have him callin for a gutshot as he is a good player ..........i hat aa on a j high board  it read j387t        he reraised me allin and we both had big chips , it was at city west ireland in the main event .
i went straight for my stack he jumped up and flashed his cards above his head .

i stopped and looked at him fir 5 minutes and showed aa he had the only hand i cud put him on with his actions 99.........i got away from it by making a movement to gauge a reaction .........

irony was i wud hav called him purely because he was lam trim and capable of making the move because he new i cudnt call with qq kk aa,  as it happened he had the hand , he won less money i styed in the comp


need s must im aafraid , its a big game a lot of dough involvred
 

[boldie]

When I was all-in in yesterday's London GUKPT heat, Lam Trinh grabbed his stack and went to push them in but stopped just before the line. I almost leapt at my cards to turn my winning hand over as I wasn't looking directly at him and so could easily have assumed that he'd pushed them over the line. Luckily I didn't do that and he did eventually call anyhow, but was his feint bad sportsmanship or just part of the game?

how can you say this is offside booder its a class way of gettin a tell ...........

It is a lot of things my friend..Class it is not.