KK - call an all-in?

[sovietsong]

lol just kidding, i feel that live and for a decent buy in i pass depending on the player obv, however online i really cant pass unless i have played alot of hands with him before.  I just think that as everybody has already said lots of muppets online will play AK-QQ-JJ etc like this. 

Plus if i had travelled a long way and had a last longer bet with somebody i wouldnt want to lose that bet! 

[kinboshi]

a number of variables. 

Which are? 

[dazzaster]

Interesting spread of opinion on this one so far. 

I'm looking forward to getting Aces in the first level at the next APAT event.  In fact, I'd like to see aces at any level in an APAT event!

What is your opinion Kinboshi, would you call or fold ?

[kinboshi]

Interesting spread of opinion on this one so far. 

I'm looking forward to getting Aces in the first level at the next APAT event.  In fact, I'd like to see aces at any level in an APAT event!

What is your opinion Kinboshi, would you call or fold ?

In this situation, without any information on the player, I fold.

But like I said, I hope I can get Aces early in the next tournament I play...

[dazzaster]

Interesting spread of opinion on this one so far. 

I'm looking forward to getting Aces in the first level at the next APAT event.  In fact, I'd like to see aces at any level in an APAT event!

What is your opinion Kinboshi, would you call or fold ?

Yes me too. As you can see there is a large number of people that will call.
I'm sure you must have seen this situation early in a tournament many times, I know I have and its very rare for one not to be holding AA .
People may even call with less than KK , I had them last night live raised the 1000 blind to 3500, got re-raised to 7000 so move all in approx 20000 more and got called by J9. Flop came with a 9 turn another. Just goes to show what goes through some peoples head.

[Horneris]

Situational.

What is? 

First level of a deep-stack tournament with a decent blind structure.

You have KK.

You don't know any of your opponents, and you have no idea how any of them play.

Someone raises to 200 (4xBB), you make a standard re-raise - they shove all-in making it 10,000 total.

Call or fold?

That's the situation.

Youre failing to take into account such important factors.

Who he is.
How hes said All in.
The way hes sat.
The way hes put his chips in.
The way his eyes/hands are moving.

Using all of these i would usually try and get a feel for how super strong he is.

It sounds like im claiming to be Phil Gordon or some amazing reader of players but i dont mean to, but without seeing him do these things, i find this decision impossible to make, and am suprised other are saying different. All those factors are what i meant by situational.

Id definetly need to see him to make this decision.

TBF saying all that crap id probs call and hope for the best.

Shippppp.

[Jon MW]

Situational.

What is? 

First level of a deep-stack tournament with a decent blind structure.

You have KK.

You don't know any of your opponents, and you have no idea how any of them play.

Someone raises to 200 (4xBB), you make a standard re-raise - they shove all-in making it 10,000 total.

Call or fold?

That's the situation.

Youre failing to take into account such important factors.

Who he is.
How hes said All in.
The way hes sat.
The way hes put his chips in.
The way his eyes/hands are moving.
How close his eyes are to each other.
Whether his eyebrows meet in the middle.
Whether he has a noble bearing.
Whether people passing call him 'Doc'.
What phase the moon is at.
What star sign he is.
If he's Welsh.
If he's called Kinboshi.

Using all of these i would usually try and get a feel for how super strong/lucky he is.

It sounds like im claiming to be Phil Gordon or some amazing reader of players but i dont mean to, but without seeing him do these things, i find this decision impossible to make, and am suprised other are saying different. All those factors are what i meant by situational.

Id definetly need to see him to make this decision.

TBF saying all that crap id probs call and hope for the best.

Shippppp.

FYP

[kinboshi]

Situational.

What is? 

First level of a deep-stack tournament with a decent blind structure.

You have KK.

You don't know any of your opponents, and you have no idea how any of them play.

Someone raises to 200 (4xBB), you make a standard re-raise - they shove all-in making it 10,000 total.

Call or fold?

That's the situation.

Youre failing to take into account such important factors.

Who he is.
How hes said All in.
The way hes sat.
The way hes put his chips in.
The way his eyes/hands are moving.

Using all of these i would usually try and get a feel for how super strong he is.

It sounds like im claiming to be Phil Gordon or some amazing reader of players but i dont mean to, but without seeing him do these things, i find this decision impossible to make, and am suprised other are saying different. All those factors are what i meant by situational.

Id definetly need to see him to make this decision.

TBF saying all that crap id probs call and hope for the best.

Shippppp.

OK - if he's stuck his chips in timidly, aggressively, purposefully, humorously, slyly - what difference does it make?  You don't know the player and you're going to make your decision based on your ability to read him?

I wouldn't know if he's got AA or JJ from his body language.  Any tells I spot I'd have to largely ignore as I wouldn't be sure if they're false tells or not.  Having not played with them before, I have no idea if they are vastly experienced and skilled, or if it's their first tournament. 

You mentioned me.  So say it was me - would you call or fold? 

[Horneris]

I fold against you mate. I would fold against LeKnave too.

I wouldnt be able to get my chips in fast enough against ChipRich or TheGib (just using all them against examples).

[Graham C]

I think it's too much to risk on the opening hand of a tourney like this.  Even if he has ace rag, AK, QQ, JJ or whatever, you can still lose, even with KK you can still lose.

There will be plenty of opportunities to get chips as the day goes on, pass, just pretend you folded 62o and carry on.

[lucky_scrote]

There are two players in the whole world i think i can pass KK to, pete singleton and mickey wernick because i know them quiet well.


Along with that it would have to be very very deep.

Ive never passed KK before and probably never will.

[KingPoker]

Situational.

What is? 

First level of a deep-stack tournament with a decent blind structure.

You have KK.

You don't know any of your opponents, and you have no idea how any of them play.

Someone raises to 200 (4xBB), you make a standard re-raise - they shove all-in making it 10,000 total.

Call or fold?

That's the situation.

Youre failing to take into account such important factors.

Who he is.
How hes said All in.
The way hes sat.
The way hes put his chips in.
The way his eyes/hands are moving.
How close his eyes are to each other.
Whether his eyebrows meet in the middle.
Whether he has a noble bearing.
Whether people passing call him 'Doc'.
What phase the moon is at.
What star sign he is.
If he's Welsh.
If he's called Kinboshi.

Using all of these i would usually try and get a feel for how super strong/lucky he is.

It sounds like im claiming to be Phil Gordon or some amazing reader of players but i dont mean to, but without seeing him do these things, i find this decision impossible to make, and am suprised other are saying different. All those factors are what i meant by situational.

Id definetly need to see him to make this decision.

TBF saying all that crap id probs call and hope for the best.

Shippppp.

FYP

 

[dazzaster]

There are two players in the whole world i think i can pass KK to, Pete Singleton and Mickey Wernick because i know them quiet well.


Along with that it would have to be very very deep.

Ive never passed KK before and probably never will.

You probably will want to reconsider now as I think there will be plenty of people moving all in with AA after this thread, based on ho many would say they'd call.
And wow you'd never pass KK ?

[AdamM]

I wouldn't know if he's got AA or JJ from his body language. 

really?

[kinboshi]

I wouldn't know if he's got AA or JJ from his body language. 

really?

Someone who I've never played before - someone who I don't know if he's a complete novice or a skilled and experienced player.  First hand of a tournament I wouldn't trust my read on someone I've never seen before.  His tells might be an act - how do I know?