the real smoking question

[Ironside]

the choice is yours again

[Junior Senior]

nice poll, slightly different options but i am expecting a similar result to others.

.... smoking should be banned

[AdamM]

jeez Ironside give us a chance.

ah well, I'm also expecting the result to support my stance

[snoopy1239]

some1 should print out some of these threads and hand them into the gala or post them off to their head office.

[AdamM]

once we get a decent ammount of votes I will be doing

[AdamM]

see, in this poll the not bothereds support my case. if only 7% would stop going if a smoking ban was introduced the management have no option really

[TheJagster]

Too be honest I would like to see smoking banned in all teh card rooms although yes I do smoke.

The true answer to this poll however is 'Not Bothered' because the smoking issue is unlikely to affect whether I go a card room or not.

[mikkyT]

Better top this one so the old one doesnt get posted on.

To re-iterate the best arguement yet AGAINST a ban on smoking:


On this issue (which is very current in Scotland - they WILL be non-smoking as of April 06) - I think that not enough attention was paid to ventilation systems - and with an adequate ventilation system I'd have no problem with smoking in pubs or Card-rooms, or airplanes - of course proper ventilation cost money - so just ban smoking :rolleyes: .

Didn't mean that to read as pissed off as it did, sorry.

I've not got time to debate it now... BUT I've previously posted about a pub in Glasgow where they invested in a hi-tec ventilation system (it blows in air at bar level, extracts above) & the tested air quality in the pub (an old blokes pub with lots of smokers) was better than the non-smoking pub in Glasgow tested at.

If a premises can prove an adequate system, then why should they have to ban smoking?

Airplanes are the same - I was (and am) asthmatic & used to fly 4 times a year or so, I never had a problem with smoke even though it wasn't banned on the flights - but the ventilation was run at 100% (complete refresh of air every 1/2 hour AFAICR) - now they run it at 10%, everyone on the flights catches everyone else's cold, they've banned smoking & they say it's more healthy - but it's just CHEAPER.

I don't smoke (tobacco), will never start, but don't see bans as the best solution. It's happened in Ireland, and where the pubs near my brother's were never shut, they now are shut every afternoon except weekends, everyone complains about the farm workers smell, and the best conversations are outside in the smoker's shelter - so much so that non-smokers join their mates out in the shelter.

[Royal Flush]

The reason smoking was banned on flights is because it is just far too dangerous. As for the passing of air through the cabin, there are JAA/FAA limits on this and nothing has changed, the only thing that is diffrent is that in newer a/c it's not all fresh air, some is circulated. This makes the are more Humid, which saves on the airlines carrying loads of water for the humidifers, it has nothing to do with any power setting on how fast the air goes.

[mikkyT]

The reason smoking was banned on flights is because it is just far too dangerous. As for the passing of air through the cabin, there are JAA/FAA limits on this and nothing has changed, the only thing that is diffrent is that in newer a/c it's not all fresh air, some is circulated. This makes the are more Humid, which saves on the airlines carrying loads of water for the humidifers, it has nothing to do with any power setting on how fast the air goes.

And everything to do with saving money. Nothing to do with safety.

[The Truth]

you can still smoke on internal flights in cuba

[ifm]

banning smoking on planes was never anything to do with safety, it was an excuse to save money simple as that, google it and i'm certain there will be a wealth of information

[mikkyT]

Anything done by the airlines (or the regulatory body for that matter, at least in the states) is never done with safety first. Safety may get cited, but it never comes first.

If this was the case then we wouldn't be sitting 30,000 feet up in the air, strapped into great hulking chunks of metal built by the lowest bidder.

[Royal Flush]

Mikky if your going to nick a quote make sure it's rellevant......aircraft are not built by the lowest bidder, Boeing's are all built in house.

It's dangerous to smoke on planes as simple as that. If it was purely money saving then it would have been done for pressurised aircraft only, but it wasn't.


Mikky some things are done to save money, some are done for safety, aviation is a very safety concious industry, if something both saves money AND lives it is always adopted.

[ifm]

if it was a safety issue, why was it allowed in the first place?