anyone catch

[GlasgowBandit]

is that cos they have kenny miller?

But Kenny is going back to Rangers.

[seven2unsuited]

so you would throw your money at a losing team who are gonna get, what 5 or 6 at live games this season.  rather than a team who DO have people watching worldwide everyweek, and in champions league.  Also, true alot of the celtic fans overseas are expats, but there are even more who are second or third generation scots/irish who have not set foot in scotland.  

[gatso]

anyone know what happened to the suggestion a few years back to merge the 2 league cups? I think the plan was to play them both down to last 4 and then combine them to give us the 1/4 final. I liked the plan, would've given us a good idea of the relative strengths of the 2 nations' teams.

[bobby1]

oh and on top of the tv money is the increase in shirt trackside and other sponsorship deals

but why would one of the top 4 supported clubs worldwide need an increase in money from shirt sales. and surely with such a fanbase they should already be getting some of the best sponsorship deals in the game

Yes they should, but unfortunately its not as easy as that.  If Celtic and Rangers where to sell of individual rights to their games they'd make more in TV revenue than most other clubs in the world, however this is not possible due to a contractual agreements they have in place with the SPL.

In regards to shirt sponsorship, we have a deal with Carling that if in the Premiership would be worth 10 fold same as the deal we have with Nike.  

its ignorant to suggest that Celtic and Rangers would be lucky to finnish top 10 in the EPL thats just not true.  

All this has to be balanced up with your socio-political conscience as well, Celtic are in bed with two many corporate evils and personally I am not for us selling what soul we have left to the devil its bad enough we have Dr Death and Dermot "I'm so corrupt I should buy an Itallian club" Desmond, I am not sure that I would want some multi national capitalist coming into my club.  

However it seems we are going to get some investment from this fella that runs GAP.  He has just purchased 3.2% of ordinary Shares we will need to wait and see what happens.

The reason that the sponsorship is ten times less than the EPL deal would be is you play in a peripheral European league. If Celtic and Rangers broke away from the current TV deal to negotiate their own all that would happen is your home games would be on TV instead of most of the away games as you only have the rights to your home games, so how would they make more TV revenue than most other clubs?

As for where you would finish in the EPL, well mid table would be about the max, there are 4 nails to finish in the top 10 every season, so you would have to beat the Newcastle, Blackburns, Man City and Spursteams to make the top ten, and you are clear 2nd favs in that race without including the other teams.

[bobby1]

sponsors pay to get there advertising into millions of homes watching on tv

the scottish games dont get the neutral fans that other leagues get infact very few games are even shown

the EPL has hour long highlights for every game at the weekend shown live or not


the SPL get an hour long show shown in scotland only and in most countries no show at all

the EPL gets shown in every country worldwide nearly

so as a sponsor where would i put most of my money

i know i would give derby county much more this year than i would celtic or rangers

all true. maybe the SPL need a new marketting man as whoever's doing the job now is clearly crap.

he has the TV rights  to a league that I've today learnt contains 2 teams who would finish top 10 every year in a euroleague, 1 of whom is among the top 4 best supported clubs in the world and he can't even sell them outside of Scotland. I'd suggest someone needs sacking

you make a good point, tho I feel those facts may be arguable.

[seven2unsuited]

you are kidding me?

Newcastle, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea all there in terms combinations of support, facilities and especially money

Celtic is in a peripheral non-competitive domestic league compared to them

That said, I hope as a British football fan that Celtic do well against Barca

Is there such a thing as a british football fan??  i like to watch english football   I dont mind seeing english teams doing well in europe(except from chelsea) but love seeing your national team losing, nothing better from hearing lawrenson and co going off on one(does that make me a bigot, i've been told it does, bollocks!)

[bobby1]

yes there is, they are able to view things in a rational unbiased way

[gatso]

yeah, I support most Scottish teams in Europe as I support most English ones. I have exceptions from both countries but in general I suport a team for being British.

[seven2unsuited]

thats fair enough. i don't class myself as british so no doubt we see things in a different light, but i wouldn't have an objection to a team just because they were english, and vice versa.

[Ironside]

now back on subject


what was the effing score at teh weekend

[gatso]

now back on subject


what was the effing score at teh weekend

old firm both won, aberdeen relegated if they don't win next week. standard

[celtic]

i think, and i genuinely mean this, Celtic and Rangers are under-rated and would be very capable in the EPL. We have always gave a good acct of ourselves v English teams when playing in europe, and to a lesser extent 'friendlies' which i know are not the greatest yard stick but we don't play friendlies, and the teams we play against certinly dont take them lightly.

I think a lot of celtic & rangers problems are down to complacency against the 'peripheral' teams.

Anyway, we will prob never know.

ANd btw iron it was celtic 1 Hibs 1 & Aberdeen 1 10man rangers for 63 minutes 1

seriously tho iron, u talk a lot of sense. Well on this subject anyway.

[Rod Paradise]

Not been online a lot lately, what with Xmas & all the rest. Going to try and respond to a few posters.

Iron - picking the weekend that not one of the top 6 in the SPL managed a win isn't really much to boast about

Bandit- There's no need to go overboard in claims about Celtic - the truth's good enough.

Bobby - don't see many colours showing - lots of ill-informed slagging though. Facts - the OF appear regularly in the top 20 earners in Europe - it doesn't take a maths genius to work out that the access to similar TV money to the English teams would make a big difference to them. Also Celtic are now one of Nike's sponsored teams with shirts on sale worldwide (alongside Barca, Man U & Asrenal - don't be so blinkered as to not realise why that is.

Tighty, Celtic have a convention every 2 years in Vegas - it was a couple of yeras back the biggest convention that year in Vegas - don't know if that record still stands. There are more Celtic supporters clubs in the US than any other british team. Also Celtic games are on live in Japan, Sweden, Poland at least every week. The support isn't just expat Scots/Irish.

Gatso - If you don't see Celtic tops you're not looking

Finally - people complaining about the use of the phrase 'peripheral clubs' who then attempt to call the SPL a 'peripheral league' need an irony check.

[bobby1]

Not been online a lot lately, what with Xmas & all the rest. Going to try and respond to a few posters.

Iron - picking the weekend that not one of the top 6 in the SPL managed a win isn't really much to boast about

Bandit- There's no need to go overboard in claims about Celtic - the truth's good enough.

Bobby - don't see many colours showing - lots of ill-informed slagging though. Facts - the OF appear regularly in the top 20 earners in Europe - it doesn't take a maths genius to work out that the access to similar TV money to the English teams would make a big difference to them. Also Celtic are now one of Nike's sponsored teams with shirts on sale worldwide (alongside Barca, Man U & Asrenal - don't be so blinkered as to not realise why that is.

Tighty, Celtic have a convention every 2 years in Vegas - it was a couple of yeras back the biggest convention that year in Vegas - don't know if that record still stands. There are more Celtic supporters clubs in the US than any other british team. Also Celtic games are on live in Japan, Sweden, Poland at least every week. The support isn't just expat Scots/Irish.

Gatso - If you don't see Celtic tops you're not looking

Finally - people complaining about the use of the phrase 'peripheral clubs' who then attempt to call the SPL a 'peripheral league' need an irony check.

Rod, Ill informed slagging!!??. The points made by an incredibly biased Celtic fan have been rightly ridiculed for what they are. If the guy had said, just as you did that Celtic were a top 20 European club then he would have got agreement but to openly say they are one of the biggest 4 clubs in the world is laughable, surely you can't agree with that statement?

The point about getting the same money as EPL clubs is irrelevent, you wont get the same amount because you DO play in a peripheral European league. Its FIFA co efficient rating is eleventh which is pretty high but that is just European leagues. The league is behind Turkey, the Netherlands and Russia, would you say they were peripheral footballing countries in the grand scheme of things? and Scotland is one spot in front of the Ukraine.

1 Spain 
2 England
3 Italy
4 France
5 Germany 
6 Romania 
7 Russia
8 Portugal
9 Netherlands
10 Turkey
11 Scotland 
12 Ukraine 
13 Czech Republic
14 Belgium 
15 Greece
16 Switzerland 
17 Bulgaria 
18 Norway
19 Denmark
20 Austria

By all means disagree, but ill informed, man alive Im just about the only one talking facts!!

[Josedinho]

Not going to put my personal opinion into this about how good the old firm are compared to English teams but i'd just like to point out that the arguement that if they had the money the English teams do then they would be top 4 every season is stupid.

Money guarentees you nothing, obviously you could attract a highly regarded manager... Le Guen for example... and then back him heavily in the transfer market.
But would that guarentee you top 4?

Also in the Premiership they wouldn't be able to sign every club in the league's one good player to make them better and there opponents worse.