This hand has bothered me for a while!!!

[ifm]

you open shove 50bb but its really only 30bb

i am qute happy with whats in the pot i really dont want to be messing around with a near tilted bb when there is nearly4k in the pot ready to be added to your stack

i really dont want to be raising to see him pushing with KQ (or 2 over cards) that he would of folded if you had pushed there is no reason to get into a coin flip with him for over half your stack

I'm the opposite, i want him to shove with KQ.
You are basically saying you are scared to play against him, may aswell fold incase he calls your allin....................

[LuckyLloyd]

you open shove 50bb but its really only 30bb

i am qute happy with whats in the pot i really dont want to be messing around with a near tilted bb when there is nearly4k in the pot ready to be added to your stack

i really dont want to be raising to see him pushing with KQ (or 2 over cards) that he would of folded if you had pushed there is no reason to get into a coin flip with him for over half your stack

You should be delighted to take a coinflip for your stack at this point. If he shoved in and showed you AK / KQ / AQ you should scorch the felt making the call.

[AlexMartin]

you open shove 50bb but its really only 30bb

i am qute happy with whats in the pot i really dont want to be messing around with a near tilted bb when there is nearly4k in the pot ready to be added to your stack

i really dont want to be raising to see him pushing with KQ (or 2 over cards) that he would of folded if you had pushed there is no reason to get into a coin flip with him for over half your stack

You should be delighted to take a coinflip for your stack at this point. If he shoved in and showed you AK / KQ / AQ you should scorch the felt making the call.

You dont think you can find better matchups/ use mahusive fold equity at all here rather than flip?

[LuckyLloyd]

you open shove 50bb but its really only 30bb

i am qute happy with whats in the pot i really dont want to be messing around with a near tilted bb when there is nearly4k in the pot ready to be added to your stack

i really dont want to be raising to see him pushing with KQ (or 2 over cards) that he would of folded if you had pushed there is no reason to get into a coin flip with him for over half your stack

You should be delighted to take a coinflip for your stack at this point. If he shoved in and showed you AK / KQ / AQ you should scorch the felt making the call.

You dont think you can find better matchups/ use mahusive fold equity at all here rather than flip?

There are 19 players left in a tournament. You have a 50BB stack. Overestimating your edge here is a huge mistake that most players make. If you get offered the chance to get it in 55 / 45 for a 70k pot you should be delighted. It's a plus cEV spot which equals plus $EV. Very easy to go card dead; get coolered; get outdrawn; make a small mistake etc, etc. In tournaments, you should just keep taking flips and any spots with an edge until you are on a pay or sat bubble where cEV no longer equals $EV and other considerations come into play.

[wsopin07]

OK.....I like all the comments...there really is no 1 way to play this hand...it looks like a standars hand but I feel it is very important based on the # of players left...you can tell who wants to win a comp and who wants to make a final table by the way they would play this hand........I like Flushy's play because u only spend about 10K...but, I just hate to "waste" 25% of my chips this way ( I know its not a waste, just seems like it).......

What did I do.....U guessed it........

ALL IN BABY....ALL U CAN EAT....ALL IN BABY
Now...what do u expect from the BB w/ the following hands (I will assume aa and kk are going to insta call)

1) AK
2) AQ
3) AJ
4) QQ (I know, insta call)
5) TT
6) weak ace or a pair smaller that TT

I will update the result later.........

[Royal Flush]

Iron i am confused, at what point do you want to play a hand blind on blind?

All you do by shoving is remove his chance to bluff, all the massive hands still call, some of the hands you still beat call that would re-raise anyway, but all the Ax that shovel it in over your raise now pass.

[Royal Flush]

OK.....I like all the comments...there really is no 1 way to play this hand...it looks like a standars hand but I feel it is very important based on the # of players left...you can tell who wants to win a comp and who wants to make a final table by the way they would play this hand........I like Flushy's play because u only spend about 10K...but, I just hate to "waste" 25% of my chips this way ( I know its not a waste, just seems like it).......

What did I do.....U guessed it........

ALLIN BABY....ALL U CAN EAT....ALLIN BABY
Now...what do u expect from the BB w/ the following hands (I will assume aa and kk are going to insta call)

1) AK
2) AQ
3) QQ (I know, insta call)
4) TT
3) weak ace or a pair smaller that TT

I will update the result later.........

I don't spend 10k, i get my stack in.


AK call, AQ call, QQ call, TT call.

Weaker A pass, 99 call 88/77 maybe rest pass.

[wsopin07]

Raise to 4.5 and call a shove/3bet all in.

If flat called and a Q hi flop then weak lead.

This is what I was talking about...if u r called.......

[Royal Flush]

Raise to 4.5 and call a shove/3bet all in.

If flat called and a Q hi flop then weak lead.

This is what I was talking about...if u r called.......

I am not passing

[wsopin07]

Here is why I pushed...........

1) I want the guy to be frustrated...make a mistake  w/ a weak   or smaller pair
2) Its a comp...I must get top 3 or its a waste of time
3) If he wakes up w/   / / ...so be it...I will not play scared
4) If he is sat on 65K and had not lost the last 3 hands he played I just make a standard raise...fold to a reraise...lead a flop and play very carefull
5) If I win the hand I will make the final table and i rate my chances very good to win it
6) We are 6 handed
7) If I cant pick up chips here where am I going do it....when we are back at a full table??
I am also VERY happy w/ the 4K in the pot.....I will play a lot of pots 6 handed and I dont mind picking up easy pots
9) The table is now going to think I will push any pair...after I show the   and this will help later.....( I pushed   when I got to the table to double up)

[Bongo]

You'd pass JJ to a reraise blind on blind?

What's the reasoning behind that?

[MANTIS01]

Honestly wsopin07 you aren't happy with the 4k in this pot. It would be like jumping into a Ferrari and being happy tootling at 30mph. You are 6-handed, you have the 4th best starting hand in poker, you are blind on blind, and you are up against a potentially tilting oppo. You will HAVE to use your chips sooner or later and a situation better than this will almost certainly not arrive before you get blinded away....so you are not happy taking the blinds here. The bb could have AK or AQ or any other inferior hand to yours, so what? We can't worry about the ways we could loose this hand before we even begin. We need to look at ways to maximise this opportunity....and pushing isn't it (particularly because you have a tight image).

A standard raise from you gives the bb the chance to make a mistake with the hands you mention by pushing. By pushing yourself you take this possibilty away and that in itself is a mistake. When you say you are happy to take the 4k what you really mean is that you are happy to avoid conflict with a powerful hand. And that is something you need to look at that.

[gatso]

if we put his range to call a push at AK, AQ, 99+ then this is as close to a coinflip as we can get. if he's any tighter than that then we're in real trouble to a call

now if we put in a standard raise pre-flop we can maybe look at a calling range of 66+, any ace, any broadway.

now even with a flop of      (your choice of scare flop Brian) we have 68% equity. the only hand that now bothers us more than before is 77 which we've let in (AA, KK, QQ and AQ were calling us anyway if we pushed, at least now we've got a chance for them not to felt us).

We've also given oppo a great chance to make a big mistake against us which they may well do with AK, A2, 99 etc.

[wsopin07]

You'd pass JJ to a reraise blind on blind?

What's the reasoning behind that?

For me...if I am going to play it like a puss...I have 2 fold to a reraise....thats why I dont want to play it the "standard " way 

[wsopin07]

if we put his range to call a push at AK, AQ, 99+ then this is as close to a coinflip as we can get. if he's any tighter than that then we're in real trouble to a call

now if we put in a standard raise pre-flop we can maybe look at a calling range of 66+, any ace, any broadway.

now even with a flop of      (your choice of scare flop Brian) we have 68% equity. the only hand that now bothers us more than before is 77 which we've let in (AA, KK, QQ and AQ were calling us anyway if we pushed, at least now we've got a chance for them not to felt us).

We've also given oppo a great chance to make a big mistake against us which they may well do with AK, A2, 99 etc.

Its not a scare flop...its a good flop...unless u r up against AQ of KQ...and a standard raise allows the BB to play these hands.......Is AQ really calling a push here???...is AJ then a possiblity???