Stars .25 .50 cash hand - I got abuse for, justified?

[Acidmouse]

I am at work so cant import the exact hand details but from what I remember it was.

0.25/0.5 Cash No limit on Stars

Me $35
X   $55
Y   $40

I got dealt  ,I am first to act and I raise to $1.5 i get two callers from X & Y

flop: 

I bet pot which was $5, X re-raises $15,  Y goes all in for $37

I think whatever hand they have trips, draw, top pair, two pair I must have a good chance of hitting a ten, ace or the nut flush. So with the pot about $65 i think I am getting odds to call all in, I do and X calls to.

Pot now is $116  X  Y 

Turn 
River 

I win pot they both have two pair. Now they started to abuse me for going all in on draws and being a donk?! I thought it was a pretty standard play, anyone else?

[TightEnd]

standard

I hope you told Y back, pushing with bottom pair to a bet and a rr the dork!!

[jezza777]

I am never passing here.

[LuckyLloyd]

Play is fine. Consider the extra $20 you win if you are topped up fully to start the hand though!!

[johnbhoy76]

If you are calling pre-flop raises with J3 & T6 then you deserve to get pumped. So hell mend them!

Whenever I take a bad beat the first thing I ask myself is "Did I have any business being in the hand in the first place"

In the case of player X & Y the answer is "NO"

I don't think you did much wrong post flop.

They could just as easliy have hands like KT, QT, JT, T9

Also even if you are behind you have loads of outs.

I mainly play tournies so I'm looking at it from that viewpoint but I think even in cash you are good to go here more often than not

[Acidmouse]

Thanks for the responses, feel good now about how I played it.

I am new to cash and still trying to find my level, but I was surprised at how poor the play has been on stars 0.25/0.5 it really is just a matter of patience and waiting for the hand where someone will pay you off. Virtually every hand people were calling with trash. hard to put people on hands but nice when you hit the nuts

[boldie]

Consider the extra $20 you win if you are topped up fully to start the hand though!!

can't overstate this enough...as soon as you drop $ top up again the the max amount.

[ACE2M]

If you are calling pre-flop raises with J3 & T6 then you deserve to get pumped. So hell mend them!

Whenever I take a bad beat the first thing I ask myself is "Did I have any business being in the hand in the first place"

In the case of player X & Y the answer is "NO"

I don't think you did much wrong post flop.

They could just as easliy have hands like KT, QT, JT, T9

Also even if you are behind you have loads of outs.

I mainly play tournies so I'm looking at it from that viewpoint but I think even in cash you are good to go here more often than not

i disagree with that. they maybe knobs for giving out when they got beat but they aren't necesarily wrong to call with those hands.

[gatso]

agree with everyone, standard play.

also, nothing wrong with x's play on the flop but y's play is shocking

[ACE2M]

Looking at odds etc and if your playing decent players then i'm not sure this is a call.

What do the pros think, totalise?

What if it was all full stacked 10/20 and they are decent players, would you call 1.8k having put $160 in the pot here?

[boldie]

Looking at odds etc and if your playing decent players then i'm not sure this is a call.

What do the pros think, totalise?

What if it was all full stacked 10/20 and they are decent players, would you call 1.8k having put $160 in the pot here?

At any level you have to call this if X will call the all in of yourself and Y, I think. The odds of hitting the nutflush alone almost justify that (I think..I suck at math but you're getting 2-1 your money on hitting the flush...3-1 shot'ish) add to that your ten and your aces..you're close enough to justifying it, no?

[Longy]

Looking at odds etc and if your playing decent players then i'm not sure this is a call.

What do the pros think, totalise?

What if it was all full stacked 10/20 and they are decent players, would you call 1.8k having put $160 in the pot here?

This doesn't make any difference what the level is, if calling is right at .25/.5 it is correct at 10/20. Its just an odds based question really and as we every decision we make in poker, it should be the correct long term. Cue zomg what if you only 1.8k to your name arguements.

As for the hand the nut flush draws 2 to 1 to be good by the river against even the nastiest of range which include sets. $30 to win $61.50 never mind that TPTK might be good or could improve by hitting an a or 10.

If you are calling pre-flop raises with J3 & T6 then you deserve to get pumped. So hell mend them!

Whenever I take a bad beat the first thing I ask myself is "Did I have any business being in the hand in the first place"

In the case of player X & Y the answer is "NO"

I don't think you did much wrong post flop.

They could just as easliy have hands like KT, QT, JT, T9

Also even if you are behind you have loads of outs.

I mainly play tournies so I'm looking at it from that viewpoint but I think even in cash you are good to go here more often than not

i disagree with that. they maybe knobs for giving out when they got beat but they aren't necesarily wrong to call with those hands.

I respectively disagree with this these are horrid hands which you are going to require you being super good postflop to play. I suspect you are going to quote implied odds back at me, but these hands have reversed implied odds alot of time as when they make top pair they are often no good.

[ACE2M]

Looking at odds etc and if your playing decent players then i'm not sure this is a call.

What do the pros think, totalise?

What if it was all full stacked 10/20 and they are decent players, would you call 1.8k having put $160 in the pot here?

At any level you have to call this if X will call the all in of yourself and Y, I think. The odds of hitting the nutflush alone almost justify that (I think..I suck at math but you're getting 2-1 your money on hitting the flush...3-1 shot'ish) add to that your ten and your aces..you're close enough to justifying it, no?

if they are decent players what hands might we put them on?

Looking at odds etc and if your playing decent players then i'm not sure this is a call.

What do the pros think, totalise?

What if it was all full stacked 10/20 and they are decent players, would you call 1.8k having put $160 in the pot here?

This doesn't make any difference what the level is, if calling is right at .25/.5 it is correct at 10/20. Its just an odds based question really and as we every decision we make in poker, it should be the correct long term. Cue zomg what if you only 1.8k to your name arguements.

As for the hand the nut flush draws 2 to 1 to be good by the river against even the nastiest of range which include sets. $30 to win $61.50 never mind that TPTK might be good or could improve by hitting an a or 10.

If you are calling pre-flop raises with J3 & T6 then you deserve to get pumped. So hell mend them!

Whenever I take a bad beat the first thing I ask myself is "Did I have any business being in the hand in the first place"

In the case of player X & Y the answer is "NO"

I don't think you did much wrong post flop.

They could just as easliy have hands like KT, QT, JT, T9

Also even if you are behind you have loads of outs.

I mainly play tournies so I'm looking at it from that viewpoint but I think even in cash you are good to go here more often than not

i disagree with that. they maybe knobs for giving out when they got beat but they aren't necesarily wrong to call with those hands.

I respectively disagree with this these are horrid hands which you are going to require you being super good postflop to play. I suspect you are going to quote implied odds back at me, but these hands have reversed implied odds alot of time as when they make top pair they are often no good.

I'm not saying i'm right, i'm just interested in a pros view and the level of money involved is irrelevant more the standard of player at that level is my concern. What hands are you likely to be up against if you can guarantee both x and y will both be all in and they are decent players?

as for the 2nd part, yes these hands are on the outer limits of calling with atc against someone who will stack off with an overpair/tptk, but thats still the point of calling with them, although almost certainly they are just donks in this hand.

[jakally]

i disagree with that. they maybe knobs for giving out when they got beat but they aren't necesarily wrong to call with those hands.

I respectively disagree with this these are horrid hands which you are going to require you being super good postflop to play. I suspect you are going to quote implied odds back at me, but these hands have reversed implied odds alot of time as when they make top pair they are often no good.

Your PF raise was 3 x BB.
This tends to entice more hands to call from SB and BB (and also makes it cheaper to repop you).

I like a slightly larger open - 3.5BB.

[ACE2M]

don't flame me 

i'm just curious to.

i put in the worst possible hands i think i could be up against and it was a definate fold based on the win at showdown % compared with the pot equity.