Delicately dissing dtd

[Dingdell]

Thank you Simon.

Of course I wasn't really dissing dtd, you know how much I love playing there.

I posted my opinion because I knew that you would take it in the spirit it was intended.

Contrary to to Kev's (imho) rather insulting post, I'm not "Moaning and Groaning" and I don't "just want to change the original plans of someone else's efforts."

Kev also seems to suggests (in laymans terms) I hasten to add. (although "Knobbed off" and "Tossing themselves off" don't apparently qualify as laymens terms) That rather than voice opinions, we should just "Vote with our feet". Well we could do that, but then poker forums would be pretty redundant.


BTW Simon, I haven't said that I won't play this weekend, (It's still a pretty good structure) but if I don't, I will still be coming down for a little cash action.

You better be - I almost relinquished my updating hat when I heard you may not be there x

[crapper]

There's far too many deep stack structures imo. I'd much rather play a quicker structured game than sit around for 3 days then bubble. The dtd £500 looks like a good compromise, and if I didn't live so far away and wasn't so perpetually busy, it's one I'd definitely play. Hope to make it up in the next few months. Keep up the good work

Matt,

isn't it true that you would prefer an all-in or fold tourney structure with 1 minute blind levels ?  Just a rumour that I heard m8 

See ya in Brighton the week after next ?

Ian.

[bigalhx1]

why not ask them for the ladbrokes blind structure and 15 min clock tom as you are red hot at that and happy new year

[Royal Flush]

I was delighted when i went to the opening £500 event to find it wasn't the same old 10k 1hr structure.

It was a great improvement, a £500 game shouldn't take as long as they do at some places.

Well done DTD, give all poker players what they want, not just those who shout the loudest

[RED-DOG]

I was delighted when i went to the opening £500 event to find it wasn't the same old 10k 1hr structure.

It was a great improvement, a £500 game shouldn't take as long as they do at some places.

Well done dtd, give all poker players what they want, not just those who shout the loudest

Which events should be 10k and 1 hour James, and why?

[tikay]

Hi Guys

As TK said i read all dtd threads and his diary to get feedback/ideas to improve the service/experience of playing at dusk till dawn.

I spoke to Tom and told him the current structure for the monthly £500 was set at 40 minutes and 7500 chips and uses our normal weekly tournament structure with a couple of changes, i have added a 150 300 25 level and the 200 400 has a 50 ante instead of 25, i also said if i gave a longer clock and full festival structure ( i will probably put back one or two levels i removed as originally it was way too slow for one day events the first week ending in chip counts every night at 6am ! ) what would i have to improve the festival events.

Every Thursday our £50 event has been sold out, originally capped at 108 and getting 119 to 137 it is now capped at 135 pre seat draw and 9 alternates . 144 is the natural cap using our structure with 30 minute levels, Thursdays event was split on a 3 way chip count at 4.20am but could have played out over the next 3 levels. Tonight there were 89 players for the £100 which has 5000 starting chips instead of 4000 , this makes a big difference to early play as with 445,000 chips compared to Thursdays 576,000 it finished at 5.10am with no deals, this means i may have to drop the chips if the fields keep increasing but i know i could get up to 144 with 4000 so will try 4500 first but not until i see how the next one with 5000 chips does.

As i have no idea how many players will turn up for our £500 i want to give a decent structure with a longer clock and more chips than our weekly events then monitor the result and feedback as this will help me determine the best structure/clock/chips for our first festival . I agree with Tom and TK that the dusk till dawn experience should not be diluted and wherever i can i will improve it. Therefore once i see how this weekend goes next month i will consider a one hour clock and 7500 or 45 minutes with 10,000 starting chips.

Playing here is so unique compared to any other venue in the UK there is no reason why our monthly event can't be a sample of what you can expect at dtd festivals.

I respect Toms decision to skip this months event but i hope he will come and play in the side games.

As kev says it's not possible to please everyone but for those interested here are the first 10 levels tonight , 7500 chips and a 40 minute clock.

25 50
50 100
75 150
100 200
150 300
150 300 25
200 400 50
300 600 50
400 800 100
600 1200 100

I certainly dont think Tom is " dissing " dtd as i know he loves playing here as does TK and without constructive criticism i would be unable to perfect the dusk till dawn experience so thanks to all of you that are willing to share your opinions.

I am trying to achieve our goal of making dusk till dawn the premier venue in Europe, i have a fantastic team providing the best poker experience in an amazing venue, there is much more to come as we work towards opening 7 days a week and hosting our first festival and i welcome any suggestions both here or in person at the club.

Cheers

ACES

There speaks a man who understands the mechanics of Tournament structures.

I suggested Simon would reply patiently & eloquently. I got that one right!

Well done Simon. I am working tonight, so, sadly, can't play the £500, such is life, but I'm driving straight up from London to DTD after the Show, & will see you then, also later on Sunday for the £200.

Good Luck tonight!

[Mango99]

There's far too many deep stack structures imo. I'd much rather play a quicker structured game than sit around for 3 days then bubble. The dtd £500 looks like a good compromise, and if I didn't live so far away and wasn't so perpetually busy, it's one I'd definitely play. Hope to make it up in the next few months. Keep up the good work

Matt,

isn't it true that you would prefer an all-in or fold tourney structure with 1 minute blind levels ?  Just a rumour that I heard m8 

See ya in Brighton the week after next ?

Ian.

Lol, you know me too well

Not sure if I am doing Brighton.. Would quite like to, but this time of year is very busy for me. I'll play a satellite on BlueSq prob. and if I qualify go for sure. Brighton is fun - after all it's the home of Paul Parker and Flushy. Can't go wrong there for entertainment value. Bournemouth Roll I up landlord!

Best wishes to you and your family for the new year.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

I was delighted when i went to the opening £500 event to find it wasn't the same old 10k 1hr structure.

It was a great improvement, a £500 game shouldn't take as long as they do at some places.

Well done dtd, give all poker players what they want, not just those who shout the loudest

Agreed Flushy - sadly have had to miss this one but hope to be playing  them in the near future.

[Royal Flush]

I was delighted when i went to the opening £500 event to find it wasn't the same old 10k 1hr structure.

It was a great improvement, a £500 game shouldn't take as long as they do at some places.

Well done dtd, give all poker players what they want, not just those who shout the loudest

Which events should be 10k and 1 hour James, and why?

Festival main events, because they are festival main events.

[RED-DOG]

I was delighted when i went to the opening £500 event to find it wasn't the same old 10k 1hr structure.

It was a great improvement, a £500 game shouldn't take as long as they do at some places.

Well done dtd, give all poker players what they want, not just those who shout the loudest

Which events should be 10k and 1 hour James, and why?

Festival main events, because they are festival main events.

So people who can't afford to play festival main events shouldn't get the chance to play that structure, even though time will allow it?

[matt674]

you could always get a job!!































you can join the APAT then

[crapper]

Matt,

isn't it true that you would prefer an all-in or fold tourney structure with 1 minute blind levels ?  Just a rumour that I heard m8 

See ya in Brighton the week after next ?

Ian.

[/quote]

Lol, you know me too well

Not sure if I am doing Brighton.. Would quite like to, but this time of year is very busy for me. I'll play a satellite on BlueSq prob. and if I qualify go for sure. Brighton is fun - after all it's the home of Paul Parker and Flushy. Can't go wrong there for entertainment value. Bournemouth Roll I up landlord!

Best wishes to you and your family for the new year.
[/quote]

For ''but this time of year is busy for me'', insert : ''but unfortunately, I've done my bollox on the house games again'' .............hehe, only joking m8.

You're right , of course, that the only reason any of us go to Brighton is to see Paul and Flushy......any prize money gained is quite immaterial.

Best wishes also to you for the New Year Matt.... have a prosperous one!

Ian.

[Azirapheal]

hmm, was ni was actually ice seeing you last night red, glad to see you finally made it.

usually with 5k starting chips and a 30 minute clock the tournament runs at the same pace as it did last night, as someone that has had the joy of seeing every comp at dtd play out i was actually very surprised to see players being eliminated at the rate they were, then i noted that players were rarely if ever playing to the blind levels, but were playing to the chip stack sizes (raising 6x BB was standard till the blinds reached 1,200)

with the structure as things are i consistently see similar faces on the last two tables, proving that the structure itself is very benevolent towards tournament players - i believe ive only seen players blinded//ante'd out of the competition after a bad beat or cooler that left them very short.

so im afraid i must personally disagree with you in terms of the 7k starting chips and the 40 minute clock would be a patient players wet dream, but there is no accounting for an agressive field.

hope my ramblings make sense

oh and congrats to the 6-way chip count, always nice seeing a definite winner

[K9sixtwo]

If i can throw my lot in with Red Dog here.. I agree entirely where he is coming form and Aces knows that Red's comments are constructive criticism intended to make DTD better..
I am a recreational player that sadly works for a living and is of (imho) a slightly above average Player.
For me I cant afford to go to a B&M establishment to play on a regular basis as financially i cannot afford to. When i do enter a tourney in a B&M card room it is usually at the lower stake level and as a result i get frustrated by the fact that the structure is rubbish with a short clock that cripples.
To me to go somewhere and play for a reasonable amount with an excellent structure, very much like DTD's £50 is heaven. The fact that it is selling out speaks volumes as well.
Not all of us have the ability to play in £100 or plus buy in tourneys and i would dream at the chance of playing in the £500 DTD monthly, My best results have been in the fabulous Sporting Emporium in Dublin last year when it was my 40th birthday and came third in there weekly 75Euro scalp and progressing up from $7 to the $700 step in Stars PCA steps late last year, apart from that its grinding it out at the $10 -$20 STT/MTT games..
I look forward to going up to DTD and playing in a game that has plenty of scope to it without breaking my limited bank.

[ifm]

If i can throw my lot in with Red Dog here.. I agree entirely where he is coming form and Aces knows that Red's comments are constructive criticism intended to make dtd better..

Better for who?
This is the crux of the dissension on this thread, who actually wants what is proposed?
My argument regarding structures has never wavered, i think the  players involved should come to an agreement THEN approach the management with a consensus, what happens then is largely irrelevant as long as democracy is at least part of the process.