Beginning of the end for Rafa...

[The Baron]

Surely the people giving there opinion on the game on radio last night were paid to speak such crap,within a 2min taxi ride home one said rafa should do the decent thing and resign lol,another said he's shit manager and hasn't got a clue in europe, eh ? a know it's obviously not the true fans that ring up this crap bur still

I know just about every fan will think this about their own club and it's detractors, but I think the bias in the (London based) media regarding Liverpool and it's failings leads to this type of reaction on phone in shows etc. It's been this way since Mourinho left and they have no one else to try to wind up. Prior to this the media was lukewarm to Rafa.

True

Also the opinions of people apparently in the know like Paul Merson (!) and flat out Liverpool haters like Andy Gray dont help.

You then get people jumping on the squad rotation, zonal marking, "Liverpool have the most expensive squad", and "Rafa is crap" bandwagons without looking at the facts. IMHO these people just don't have a clue (or mostly do have a clue, but only about their own club) and will just always believe what is put in front of them.

Can't let this go unchallenged though - MotD with Hansen and Lawrenson's constant sniping at United and soft playing Liverpool's issues.

eg - the analysis of Mascherano's contribution on Saturday which included a 30yd run and two-footed lunge at a Blackburn defender was glossed over with a "not the bestof tackles". Had that been a player from any other team they would have shown it from every angle available and called for an FA review.

Yeah agree about those two. Lawrenson just spouts shite fullstop both (mainly) for and against LFC. He's renowned for bringing up rumours about the club on TV/in the press as though one of the players told him something worthwhile. He's a bit of a cock tbh. Definitely has his ego above all else.

Hansen is a bigtime fan though yes. Thompson on Soccer Saturday is worse though. At least Hansen knows when to critisise. In all honesty if I was sat next to Merson I'd probably be like Thommo though.

[The Baron]

Does anyone think there is more to the Agger contract saga?

There has been in the past, but from what I'd heard it was all sorted now.

He's more or less said he wants assurances of a fair number of games which is something I dont think Rafa will give him, although he does want him to stay.

It will be an awful waste of talent if he goes, especially with Carra in his 30's. Skrtel/Agger would be the future without a doubt but I dont think Agger is patient enough for that.

[david3103]

Surely the people giving there opinion on the game on radio last night were paid to speak such crap,within a 2min taxi ride home one said rafa should do the decent thing and resign lol,another said he's shit manager and hasn't got a clue in europe, eh ? a know it's obviously not the true fans that ring up this crap bur still

I know just about every fan will think this about their own club and it's detractors, but I think the bias in the (London based) media regarding Liverpool and it's failings leads to this type of reaction on phone in shows etc. It's been this way since Mourinho left and they have no one else to try to wind up. Prior to this the media was lukewarm to Rafa.

True

Also the opinions of people apparently in the know like Paul Merson (!) and flat out Liverpool haters like Andy Gray dont help.

You then get people jumping on the squad rotation, zonal marking, "Liverpool have the most expensive squad", and "Rafa is crap" bandwagons without looking at the facts. IMHO these people just don't have a clue (or mostly do have a clue, but only about their own club) and will just always believe what is put in front of them.

Can't let this go unchallenged though - MotD with Hansen and Lawrenson's constant sniping at United and soft playing Liverpool's issues.

eg - the analysis of Mascherano's contribution on Saturday which included a 30yd run and two-footed lunge at a Blackburn defender was glossed over with a "not the bestof tackles". Had that been a player from any other team they would have shown it from every angle available and called for an FA review.

Yeah agree about those two. Lawrenson just spouts shite fullstop both (mainly) for and against LFC. He's renowned for bringing up rumours about the club on TV/in the press as though one of the players told him something worthwhile. He's a bit of a cock tbh. Definitely has his ego above all else.

Hansen is a bigtime fan though yes. Thompson on Soccer Saturday is worse though. At least Hansen knows when to critisise. In all honesty if I was sat next to Merson I'd probably be like Thommo though.

'kin L, a reasonable scouser! Nice to meet you.
I'm moved towards wanting you to win 3-0 tonight - for a variety of reasons, not least the 20yrs on ..

[kinboshi]

Does anyone think there is more to the Agger contract saga?

There has been in the past, but from what I'd heard it was all sorted now.

He's more or less said he wants assurances of a fair number of games which is something I dont think Rafa will give him, although he does want him to stay.

It will be an awful waste of talent if he goes, especially with Carra in his 30's. Skrtel/Agger would be the future without a doubt but I dont think Agger is patient enough for that.

I was talking about the off-field stuff.  That got him into trouble with the club and Rafa wasn't at all impressed.  But yes, we have to keep him at the club as he is Hansen-esque when he brings the ball out of defence although I don't remember Hansen having quite as good a left foot shot though!

[The Baron]

Does anyone think there is more to the Agger contract saga?

There has been in the past, but from what I'd heard it was all sorted now.

He's more or less said he wants assurances of a fair number of games which is something I dont think Rafa will give him, although he does want him to stay.

It will be an awful waste of talent if he goes, especially with Carra in his 30's. Skrtel/Agger would be the future without a doubt but I dont think Agger is patient enough for that.

I was talking about the off-field stuff.  That got him into trouble with the club and Rafa wasn't at all impressed.  But yes, we have to keep him at the club as he is Hansen-esque when he brings the ball out of defence although I don't remember Hansen having quite as good a left foot shot though!

Yeah I heard the rumours but you always get that in and around the club tbh. Could be true but could easily not be.

[maldini32]

Rafa i love you but what the fuck do u see in lucas?

[77dave]

agreed i would of played Riera on the left and benayoun in the free role behind Torres

[The Baron]

I think that's a "I dont give a fuck if we lose" line up.

[The Baron]

I take that back. Wide men on the touchline will see us overrun in midfield again like at Anfield. We've gone like for like.

[Colchester Kev]

This made me piss 'em ...

From anon via text on 81111:  "After Saturday's goal, one must wonder what must Agger do... do do."

[Jim-D]

Just what us neutrals need

[kinboshi]

Does anyone think there is more to the Agger contract saga?

There has been in the past, but from what I'd heard it was all sorted now.

He's more or less said he wants assurances of a fair number of games which is something I dont think Rafa will give him, although he does want him to stay.

It will be an awful waste of talent if he goes, especially with Carra in his 30's. Skrtel/Agger would be the future without a doubt but I dont think Agger is patient enough for that.

I was talking about the off-field stuff.  That got him into trouble with the club and Rafa wasn't at all impressed.  But yes, we have to keep him at the club as he is Hansen-esque when he brings the ball out of defence although I don't remember Hansen having quite as good a left foot shot though!

Yeah I heard the rumours but you always get that in and around the club tbh. Could be true but could easily not be.

From the people who told me what they told me, I would bet Kev's right testicle that the rumours are 100% true.

[maldini32]

Gutted.

[77dave]

Big respect to the cities of Nottingham and Sheffield as well as to David Moyes

[The Camel]

Anyone see this:

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/09/04/17/SOCCER_Blackburn_Nightlead.html

Now, I'm not Rafa'a biggest fan, but perhaps if Blackburn had been a tad more competitive Rafa wouldn't have made any gestures for Big Sam to cry about.

Storm in a teacup imo.