Ewwwwww tough donkament hand with decisions on multiple streets

[dino1980]

No reads this is the 7th hand of a donkament, allbeit at a higher buy-in than you usually play. You've so far played one hand raising A-K utg, getting 3 callers and then c-betting a king high board to win the pot without showdown.

What line do you like pre-flop, bump it up to thin the field (if so how much?) or flat call and play for set value/pot control OOP?
Will post the next part after some responses

PokerStars Game #14558645545: Tournament #73676452, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/01/14 - 17:06:06 (ET)
Table '73676452 84' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Toppform (4210 in chips)
Seat 2: Boderino (2930 in chips)
Seat 3: MORIÑA (2970 in chips)
Seat 4: WGC1234 (2850 in chips)
Seat 5: mr_euro (2380 in chips)
Seat 6: micke_jons (2410 in chips)
Seat 7: osprey1171 (2930 in chips)
Seat 8: dino1980 (3230 in chips)
Seat 9: ibo_88 (3090 in chips)
dino1980: posts small blind 10
ibo_88: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dino1980 [ ]
Toppform: folds
Boderino: folds
MORIÑA: raises 60 to 80
WGC1234: folds
mr_euro: calls 80
micke_jons: calls 80
osprey1171: folds
dino1980: ??

[jezza777]

350 to go.

[Pyso]

I agree with jezza, you need to bump it to get heads up if you can. Being first to act isn't great but a big re-raise is needed here, maybe even a tad more than 350.

[boldie]

400 to go..either way you have to raise me thinks.

[TightEnd]

350 to go.

that gives original raiser odds to call with a wide range (350/270+350 to call),and then you are likely playing QQ OOP Multi way

600 to play here

if he shoves its player dependent. fold if no reads

if its called then lead post flop on any non Ace flop and re-assess/pot control if you see action

[gatso]

pot it. 420 to go

[dino1980]

Right then everyone in favour of a raise and we need to raise to at least 400+ here to thin field.

However, I flatted for a number of reasons not all rational! Didn't want to play a huge pot OOP with queens and it's my experience that a raise to 450+ here would get minimum 1 call maybe even 2 or more if the original raiser flatted and started a domino effect leaving us to play a pot of 1000-1500 OOP.
Also I recently become obsessed with pot control especially OOP which I think factored into my decision and is actually effecting me right now, call it a form of passive tilt if you like. A few months ago I took the concept of not betting when you're only going to called by a better hand, too far and would, far too often, check behind on the river with a hand where I should've bet for value - Tighty probably witnessed this in Waterford.

Anyway I flatted, big blind flatted and we saw a flop 5 way, pot =540

dino1980: calls 70
ibo_88: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [ ]
dino1980: ??

[TightEnd]

Bet for information not value!!


seriously though, now you have to make a pot sized bet to make it tough for heart draws

if someone has the flopped flush, tough..serves you right for not raising 

[boldie]

You have a very big hand and worry about pot control?...yuck..that's all i say about that.

Now lead out on the flop and I hope you get done by 56 suited

[Graham C]

At level one in the comp, rightly or wrongly, I'd have done the same as you preflop.   If we're raising to 400-600 preflop this early, I'm not sure I'm capable of letting go of the hand to an over the top raise/all in.  I'd be hoping for an over pair to the board on the flop, or trips with the view of either picking up a much larger pot later in the hand or letting go of an easily beaten hand for a cheap amount.

On the flop, I'd definitely raise here, looking to make around the pot.   If there's an all in now, I'm probably calling whilst keeping an eye on the next tournament to start up!

[gatso]

Pot.

lets stop playing scared and get some chips in the middle

[boldie]

At level one in the comp, rightly or wrongly, I'd have done the same as you preflop.   If we're raising to 400-600 preflop this early, I'm not sure I'm capable of letting go of the hand to an over the top raise/all in.  I'd be hoping for an over pair to the board on the flop, or trips with the view of either picking up a much larger pot later in the hand or letting go of an easily beaten hand for a cheap amount.

On the flop, I'd definitely raise here, looking to make around the pot.   If there's an all in now, I'm probably calling whilst keeping an eye on the next tournament to start up!

Wait..so you have a problem sticking all your chips in on the flop when you have a third best hand..and then when you don't even hold the 5th nuts you are willing to stick your chips in when someone re-raises you all-in? I just don't get this...I really don't.

[Graham C]

Not really,   There's been a raise already, someone obv thinks they have something worth of raising - he isn't in great position so I'm guessing something niceish here.   There's been callers too.  If you raise big preflop, at least one of them is calling or coming over the top here. 

It's still really early on in the tournament, I don't see the point in raising big this early on to pick up a few hundred chips but risk losing a third of the stack.  I'd be thinking that I'd rather have a massive pot that I can scoop if I hit the flop hard.

The flops not great, but you still have a really good hand here.  Perhaps it's not ahead, but I'm expecting AA, KK or Ah x to be making a move here, especially if you check the flop. 

[jezza777]

Can we stop playing wussie poker please. You have QQ and should be willing to bet the hand well preflop. Opponents calling with inferior hands are making a mistake and this is where profit comes from , flatting gives them no opportunity to make an error.

Top set I am firing the full pot.

[matt674]

out of position i'd rereaise every time preflop here, otherwise you find yourself out of position in a multi way pot with hardly a clue where you stand.

Now that you find yourself in this position i would bet 400 and be hoping the turn to pair the board