Vagueness and the Aftermath - A sporadic diary

[Rod Paradise]

While the peizo works while wet - the flint type generates better sparks, so can be used even if the lighter is empty (in a survival situation), a zippo also carries tinder (the 'cotton' wadding that the fuel compartment is filled with) so is even better.

Make sure you know your laws with carrying a knife - particularly in urban areas - in Glasgow the police have been putting out adverts saying that carrying a knife is a jailing offense. This isn't true, depending on the knife, less than 3 inches sharpened blade & a non-locking folder is considered a legal knife to carry as a penkinife, a longer blade, or a method of locking the blade means you have to prove a legitimate reason for carrying the knife - and that means relying on the sense (or lack of) of the police/procurator fiscal/sheriff (or english equivalent) when you plead your case.

I did consider a Zippo for those very reasons, but the long life, light weight, low cost, and reliability of a disposable pizo won out in the end.

I'm well versed in knife law Rod, I've carried a pocket knife all my life, man and boy. (When I was a boy I also carried a Crocodile Dundee sized Bowie knife in a sheath on my belt too to, I used to have to hand it in at the foyer when I went to the pictures.)

For the last 35 years or so, I've carried a Swiss army knife. It's really a multi tool, I use it every day.

I get a bit of stick from the lads about it, but sooner or later they need to use it to open a bottle or a can, remove a splinter, cut some rope to make an emergency halter or whatever. I lend it to them, but I make them eat a little crow first.

BTW- I don't get any hassle about it from the Old Bill because it is so obviously not a weapon, and anyway, keeping horses counts as a legitimate reason for carrying it.

It'll be within the <3inches, non-locking rules anyway Red. Problem with the keeping horses argument is if you're in the middle of Birmingham & the horses at home the reason isn't valid. Doesn't matter as it's street legal anyway - BUT a city centre cop could get arsy about it. I think as a more matue gentleman you're less likely to be hassled.

http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/Swiss-army-knife-glove-box-gives-carer-criminal-record/story-11689768-detail/story.html#axzz2SsSCROAA

This guy was badly advised & his lawyer must have been incompetent. Cops determined to get him for some reason though....

Swiss army knife in glove box gives carer a criminal record


A DISABLED caravanner who kept a Swiss Army knife in his glove compartment has been given a conditional discharge after being charged with possessing an offensive weapon.

Full-time carer Rodney Knowles, 61, from Buckland, Newton Abbot, walks with the aid of a stick and had used the knife to cut up fruit on picnics with his wife. Mr Knowles (pictured right) admitted possessing the blade when he appeared at Torquay Magistrates Court.

Afterwards he said: "It's a stupid law. Now I have a criminal record."

Prosecutor Philip Sewell told the court that Knowles was stopped by police when he left the Highweek Inn on February 24.

He was arrested for suspected drink-driving but a breath test showed he was under the legal limit, the court was told. But Knowles was charged with possession of the blade, found in its pouch in the car glove box.

Mr Sewell said: "He told officers that he had the knife for caravanning.

"He is not working and had no malicious reason for carrying the blade."

The court heard Knowles is a carer for his wife. Defence solicitor Jolyon Tuck confirmed Knowles had used the knife to cut up fruit on picnics with his wife.

"He accepts it is in his car and the law is very clear," he said. "He admits possession of it and he had no good reason for having it."

Chairman of the bench Robert Horne ordered forfeiture of the knife and £40 costs to be paid.

He said: "There is no previous conviction history whatsoever and it was not in his possession and was in the car glove compartment in a pouch."

The retired maintenance engineer, who had no criminal record, said after the case: "The tool was in my glove box in a pouch, along with a torch, first aid kit and waterproofs.

"It is everything I need for the maintenance of my car or if I break down. Now I have a criminal record for the first time in my life. I am upset by that," said Knowles.

Read more: http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/Swiss-army-knife-glove-box-gives-carer-criminal-record/story-11689768-detail/story.html#ixzz2SsSaRtLf
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[Tal]

The construction of a new headquarters for a Chinese newspaper is causing a stir of sorts... 

"Apparently, after thinking long and hard, the mouthpiece for China's Communist Party was cocksure that the erection of a new headquarters would be warmly received — but they blew it."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/chinese-newspaper-headquarters-stuns-article-1.1339284#ixzz2SsT4VaYj

I don't get it

[RED-DOG]

The construction of a new headquarters for a Chinese newspaper is causing a stir of sorts... 

"Apparently, after thinking long and hard, the mouthpiece for China's Communist Party was cocksure that the erection of a new headquarters would be warmly received — but they blew it."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/chinese-newspaper-headquarters-stuns-article-1.1339284#ixzz2SsT4VaYj

I have just imagine that story as a headline item on News at Ten...







Dong....  Chinese building stuns tourists....  Dong.... 

 

[RED-DOG]

The construction of a new headquarters for a Chinese newspaper is causing a stir of sorts... 

"Apparently, after thinking long and hard, the mouthpiece for China's Communist Party was cocksure that the erection of a new headquarters would be warmly received — but they blew it."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/chinese-newspaper-headquarters-stuns-article-1.1339284#ixzz2SsT4VaYj

I don't get it

That's not what I've heard...

[RED-DOG]

While the peizo works while wet - the flint type generates better sparks, so can be used even if the lighter is empty (in a survival situation), a zippo also carries tinder (the 'cotton' wadding that the fuel compartment is filled with) so is even better.

Make sure you know your laws with carrying a knife - particularly in urban areas - in Glasgow the police have been putting out adverts saying that carrying a knife is a jailing offense. This isn't true, depending on the knife, less than 3 inches sharpened blade & a non-locking folder is considered a legal knife to carry as a penkinife, a longer blade, or a method of locking the blade means you have to prove a legitimate reason for carrying the knife - and that means relying on the sense (or lack of) of the police/procurator fiscal/sheriff (or english equivalent) when you plead your case.

I did consider a Zippo for those very reasons, but the long life, light weight, low cost, and reliability of a disposable pizo won out in the end.

I'm well versed in knife law Rod, I've carried a pocket knife all my life, man and boy. (When I was a boy I also carried a Crocodile Dundee sized Bowie knife in a sheath on my belt too to, I used to have to hand it in at the foyer when I went to the pictures.)

For the last 35 years or so, I've carried a Swiss army knife. It's really a multi tool, I use it every day.

I get a bit of stick from the lads about it, but sooner or later they need to use it to open a bottle or a can, remove a splinter, cut some rope to make an emergency halter or whatever. I lend it to them, but I make them eat a little crow first.

BTW- I don't get any hassle about it from the Old Bill because it is so obviously not a weapon, and anyway, keeping horses counts as a legitimate reason for carrying it.

It'll be within the <3inches, non-locking rules anyway Red. Problem with the keeping horses argument is if you're in the middle of Birmingham & the horses at home the reason isn't valid. Doesn't matter as it's street legal anyway - BUT a city centre cop could get arsy about it. I think as a more matue gentleman you're less likely to be hassled.

http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/Swiss-army-knife-glove-box-gives-carer-criminal-record/story-11689768-detail/story.html#axzz2SsSCROAA

This guy was badly advised & his lawyer must have been incompetent. Cops determined to get him for some reason though....

Swiss army knife in glove box gives carer a criminal record


A DISABLED caravanner who kept a Swiss Army knife in his glove compartment has been given a conditional discharge after being charged with possessing an offensive weapon.

Full-time carer Rodney Knowles, 61, from Buckland, Newton Abbot, walks with the aid of a stick and had used the knife to cut up fruit on picnics with his wife. Mr Knowles (pictured right) admitted possessing the blade when he appeared at Torquay Magistrates Court.

Afterwards he said: "It's a stupid law. Now I have a criminal record."

Prosecutor Philip Sewell told the court that Knowles was stopped by police when he left the Highweek Inn on February 24.

He was arrested for suspected drink-driving but a breath test showed he was under the legal limit, the court was told. But Knowles was charged with possession of the blade, found in its pouch in the car glove box.

Mr Sewell said: "He told officers that he had the knife for caravanning.

"He is not working and had no malicious reason for carrying the blade."

The court heard Knowles is a carer for his wife. Defence solicitor Jolyon Tuck confirmed Knowles had used the knife to cut up fruit on picnics with his wife.

"He accepts it is in his car and the law is very clear," he said. "He admits possession of it and he had no good reason for having it."

Chairman of the bench Robert Horne ordered forfeiture of the knife and £40 costs to be paid.

He said: "There is no previous conviction history whatsoever and it was not in his possession and was in the car glove compartment in a pouch."

The retired maintenance engineer, who had no criminal record, said after the case: "The tool was in my glove box in a pouch, along with a torch, first aid kit and waterproofs.

"It is everything I need for the maintenance of my car or if I break down. Now I have a criminal record for the first time in my life. I am upset by that," said Knowles.

Read more: http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/Swiss-army-knife-glove-box-gives-carer-criminal-record/story-11689768-detail/story.html#ixzz2SsSaRtLf
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What a disgusting miscarriage of justice.

If true, the police, aided and abetted by the courts, have victimised and criminalised an old man for no good reason.


BTW- I heard that it is now illegal to film the police as they carry out their duties. (Could be useful to terrorists  ) I suspect that that law applies especially to occasions when the police themselves break the law.


BBTW- I'm not in any way anti police, I'm just anti injustice.

[RED-DOG]

The construction of a new headquarters for a Chinese newspaper is causing a stir of sorts... 

"Apparently, after thinking long and hard, the mouthpiece for China's Communist Party was cocksure that the erection of a new headquarters would be warmly received — but they blew it."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/chinese-newspaper-headquarters-stuns-article-1.1339284#ixzz2SsT4VaYj

Concrete and smut all in one post.

Tony won't know how to react. Perhaps he will spontaneously combust.

[Laxie]

The construction of a new headquarters for a Chinese newspaper is causing a stir of sorts...  

"Apparently, after thinking long and hard, the mouthpiece for China's Communist Party was cocksure that the erection of a new headquarters would be warmly received — but they blew it."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/chinese-newspaper-headquarters-stuns-article-1.1339284#ixzz2SsT4VaYj

Concrete and smut all in one post.

Tony won't know how to react. Perhaps he will spontaneously combust.

   Was thinking the same.

What can I say?  I don't make the news...just report it.  

[kinboshi]

Talking of life and death, not heard too much about this on the British news channels:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2013/05/20135101315439989.html

Over 1,000 dead after a building collapses in Bangladesh. Just awful.

Joseph Stalin said "one death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."

They've just rescued someone from the rubble - 17 days after the building collapsed!

[Rod Paradise]

What a disgusting miscarriage of justice.

If true, the police, aided and abetted by the courts, have victimised and criminalised an old man for no good reason.


BTW- I heard that it is now illegal to film the police as they carry out their duties. (Could be useful to terrorists  ) I suspect that that law applies especially to occasions when the police themselves break the law.


BBTW- I'm not in any way anti police, I'm just anti injustice.

It's not illegal to film police, despite what the plod might say when getting filmed.... There s legislation about collecting information about officials for use in terrorism - but if a cop tried to use that against me I'd be demanding he press charges or stfu.

Notes from the Met police:

http://www.met.police.uk/about/photography.htm

Photography advice

The Metropolitan Police Service’s approach towards photography in public places is a subject of regular debate.

We encourage officers and the public to be vigilant against terrorism but recognise the importance not only of protecting the public from terrorism but also promoting the freedom of the public and the media to take and publish photographs.

Guidance around the issue has been made clear to officers and PCSOs through briefings and internal communications. The following advice is available to all officers and provides a summary of the Metropolitan Police Service’s guidance around photography in public places.
Freedom to photograph/film

Members of the public and the media do not need a permit to film or photograph in public places and police have no power to stop them filming or photographing incidents or police personnel.
Terrorism Act 2000
Photography and Section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000

The power to stop and search someone under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 no longer exists.

Police officers continue to have the power to stop and search anyone who they reasonably suspect to be a terrorist under Section 43 of the Terrorism Act.
Photography and Section 43 of the Terrorism Act 2000

Officers have the power to stop and search a person who they reasonably suspect to be a terrorist. The purpose of the stop and search is to discover whether that person has in their possession anything which may constitute evidence that they are a terrorist.

Officers have the power to view digital images contained in mobile telephones or cameras carried by a person searched under S43 of the Terrorism Act 2000 to discover whether the images constitute evidence that the person is involved in terrorism. Officers also have the power to seize and retain any article found during the search which the officer reasonably suspects may constitute evidence that the person is a terrorist. This includes any mobile telephone or camera containing such evidence.

Officers do not have the power to delete digital images or destroy film at any point during a search. Deletion or destruction may only take place following seizure if there is a lawful power (such as a court order) that permits such deletion or destruction.
Section 58A of the Terrorism Act 2000

Section 58A of the Terrorism Act 2000 covers the offence of eliciting, publishing or communicating information about members of the armed forces, intelligence services or police where the information is, by its very nature, designed to provide practical assistance to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism.

Any officer making an arrest for an offence under Section 58A must be able to demonstrate a reasonable suspicion that the information was, by its very nature, designed to provide practical assistance to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism

It would ordinarily be unlawful to use section 58A to arrest people photographing police officers in the course of normal policing activities, including protests because there would not normally be grounds for suspecting that the photographs were being taken to provide assistance to a terrorist. An arrest would only be lawful if an arresting officer had a reasonable suspicion that the photographs were being taken in order to provide practical assistance to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism.

There is nothing preventing officers asking questions of an individual who appears to be taking photographs of someone who is or has been a member of Her Majesty’s Forces (HMF), Intelligence Services or a constable so long as this is being done for a lawful purpose and is not being done in a way that prevents, dissuades or inhibits the individual from doing something which is not unlawful.

I've an interest in this as I've helped kit out a group being harrassed by the police with disguised video cameras lately  

Unfortunately a policeman determined to 'get' someone can turn the law to his own purposes - and people are pressed to plead guilty/accept cautions rather than fight the case.

[RED-DOG]

What a disgusting miscarriage of justice.

If true, the police, aided and abetted by the courts, have victimised and criminalised an old man for no good reason.


BTW- I heard that it is now illegal to film the police as they carry out their duties. (Could be useful to terrorists  ) I suspect that that law applies especially to occasions when the police themselves break the law.


BBTW- I'm not in any way anti police, I'm just anti injustice.

It's not illegal to film police, despite what the plod might say when getting filmed.... There s legislation about collecting information about officials for use in terrorism - but if a cop tried to use that against me I'd be demanding he press charges or stfu.

Notes from the Met police:

http://www.met.police.uk/about/photography.htm

Photography advice

The Metropolitan Police Service’s approach towards photography in public places is a subject of regular debate.

We encourage officers and the public to be vigilant against terrorism but recognise the importance not only of protecting the public from terrorism but also promoting the freedom of the public and the media to take and publish photographs.

Guidance around the issue has been made clear to officers and PCSOs through briefings and internal communications. The following advice is available to all officers and provides a summary of the Metropolitan Police Service’s guidance around photography in public places.
Freedom to photograph/film

Members of the public and the media do not need a permit to film or photograph in public places and police have no power to stop them filming or photographing incidents or police personnel.
Terrorism Act 2000
Photography and Section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000

The power to stop and search someone under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 no longer exists.

Police officers continue to have the power to stop and search anyone who they reasonably suspect to be a terrorist under Section 43 of the Terrorism Act.
Photography and Section 43 of the Terrorism Act 2000

Officers have the power to stop and search a person who they reasonably suspect to be a terrorist. The purpose of the stop and search is to discover whether that person has in their possession anything which may constitute evidence that they are a terrorist.

Officers have the power to view digital images contained in mobile telephones or cameras carried by a person searched under S43 of the Terrorism Act 2000 to discover whether the images constitute evidence that the person is involved in terrorism. Officers also have the power to seize and retain any article found during the search which the officer reasonably suspects may constitute evidence that the person is a terrorist. This includes any mobile telephone or camera containing such evidence.

Officers do not have the power to delete digital images or destroy film at any point during a search. Deletion or destruction may only take place following seizure if there is a lawful power (such as a court order) that permits such deletion or destruction.
Section 58A of the Terrorism Act 2000

Section 58A of the Terrorism Act 2000 covers the offence of eliciting, publishing or communicating information about members of the armed forces, intelligence services or police where the information is, by its very nature, designed to provide practical assistance to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism.

Any officer making an arrest for an offence under Section 58A must be able to demonstrate a reasonable suspicion that the information was, by its very nature, designed to provide practical assistance to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism

It would ordinarily be unlawful to use section 58A to arrest people photographing police officers in the course of normal policing activities, including protests because there would not normally be grounds for suspecting that the photographs were being taken to provide assistance to a terrorist. An arrest would only be lawful if an arresting officer had a reasonable suspicion that the photographs were being taken in order to provide practical assistance to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism.

There is nothing preventing officers asking questions of an individual who appears to be taking photographs of someone who is or has been a member of Her Majesty’s Forces (HMF), Intelligence Services or a constable so long as this is being done for a lawful purpose and is not being done in a way that prevents, dissuades or inhibits the individual from doing something which is not unlawful.

I've an interest in this as I've helped kit out a group being harrassed by the police with disguised video cameras lately  

Unfortunately a policeman determined to 'get' someone can turn the law to his own purposes - and people are pressed to plead guilty/accept cautions rather than fight the case.

Tough to prove that an officer deleted your film...

[RED-DOG]

Talking of life and death, not heard too much about this on the British news channels:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2013/05/20135101315439989.html

Over 1,000 dead after a building collapses in Bangladesh. Just awful.

Joseph Stalin said "one death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."

They've just rescued someone from the rubble - 17 days after the building collapsed!

It's amazing how much the human body can endure. Especially if the person has a good level of fitness pre.

[Rod Paradise]

Tough to prove that an officer deleted your film...

Yep - which is why the hidden cameras for the lads. THankfully the run of the mill police don't seem to be techy savvy......

Been looking for another recent article but can't find it - police stopped a guy, when asked where he was going he said he was picking some work stuff up for his daughter. Cops impounded his car as it wasn't insured for use for work. Utter nonsense but they were determined to pin something on hiim.

Thankfully most police have got more integrity than that, but as with any group with power there are some that will abuse it. Add in the 'protect your own' culture and a lot of abuse can be gotten away with.

[RED-DOG]

High Noon on the telly. haven't seen it since I was a nipper.





The whole plot is in the theme song, which became a hit for Tex Ritter.

I remembered the lyrics and sang along.


Do not forsake me, oh my darling
On this our wedding day
Do not forsake me, oh my darling
Wait, wait along
I do not know what fate awaits me
I only know I must be brave
For I must face a man who hates me
Or die a coward, a craven coward
Or die a coward in my grave

Oh, to be torn twixt love and duty
Supposin' I lose my fair haired beauty
Look at that big hand movin' round
Nearin' high noon
He made a vow while in state prison
Said it would be my life or hisn'
I'm not afraid of death but oh
What will I do if you leave me?

Do not forsake me, oh my darling
You make that promise as a bride
Do not forsake me, oh my darling
Although you're grievin', don't think of leavin'
Not while I need you by my side

Wait along, wait along
Wait along, wait along.....

[Tal]

Pffft

That's nothing

The whole plot to Snakes on a Plane is in the title.

[Karabiner]

All of that is trivial.

I have toothache in my big toe.