Vagueness and the Aftermath - A sporadic diary

[doogan]

Mrs Red and I were invited to join a small delegation to lay a wreath at the Cenotaph today. I've been a bit under the weather, so my daughter has gone in my stead.

I wonder if we'll catch a glimpse of them on the Telly?

such a amazing honour to be able to do it, shame you couldnt go

more I think of it I hope a leg is hanging off

Sorry, I don't quite understand.

To me being a bit under the weather or even under a full blown storm is a poor excuse not to go to such a important event. Im guessing it was to remember the loss of Gypsies during the 2nd world war and for me nothing would stop me going. As shown each year by the masses of people in wheel chairs and regardless of age.

Im not saying you are dismissing the loss, just for me I couldn't not go 

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Mrs Red and I were invited to join a small delegation to lay a wreath at the Cenotaph today. I've been a bit under the weather, so my daughter has gone in my stead.

I wonder if we'll catch a glimpse of them on the Telly?

such a amazing honour to be able to do it, shame you couldnt go

more I think of it I hope a leg is hanging off

Sorry, I don't quite understand.

To me being a bit under the weather or even under a full blown storm is a poor excuse not to go to such a important event. Im guessing it was to remember the loss of Gypsies during the 2nd world war and for me nothing would stop me going. As shown each year by the masses of people in wheel chairs and regardless of age.

Im not saying you are dismissing the loss, just for me I couldn't not go  

Had my leg been hanging off, I probably would have gone, but I thought it would have been pretty selfish of me to inflict my flu germs on such a large gathering, especially one with so many old and frail participants,

They may be heroes, but they are still vulnerable.

I did consult before I cried off,  I was told it would be better if I stayed away under the circumstances. I asked permission for my daughter to attend on my behalf and this request was granted.

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Arghhh!

Mrs Red & co came past just as the BBC went to coverage of formula 1.

I pressed the red button to continue watching on interactive and there they were but Sky plus won't record interactive. 

[Woodsey]

Most annoying man on TV pick number 3.

I don't know who he is and we never actually see him, but his stupid voice and inane commentary tilt me completely.

I haven't watched the vid but I guess it's Stephen Merchant, the comedian, writer and long-time cohort of Ricky Gervais. I actually like his Barclay's ads. Just shows it's all about opinions.

I thought it might be Justin Lee Collins?

[celtic]

Def Stephen Merchant imo.

[Woodsey]

Def Stephen Merchant imo.

Ok, wasn't 100% anyway, he was just the first guy who came to mind.

[Supernova]

Arghhh!

Mrs Red & co came past just as the BBC went to coverage of formula 1.

I pressed the red button to continue watching on interactive and there they were but Sky plus won't record interactive. 

Check if it's on iplayer and if it is pm Aaron (Machka) he's a genius at this kind of thing (along with everything else)

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Arghhh!

Mrs Red & co came past just as the BBC went to coverage of formula 1.

I pressed the red button to continue watching on interactive and there they were but Sky plus won't record interactive. 

Check if it's on iplayer and if it is pm Aaron (Machka) he's a genius at this kind of thing (along with everything else)

iplayer. 

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Just had a call from my daughter. She said the whole thing was very moving.

She said their names were read out and that Prince Charles saluted them. Then they were interviewed by a reporter for the Times. 

She sounded thrilled to bits.

[b4matt]

That is an amazing honour Tom. You must be very proud.

[kinboshi]

My perception of the post was that it was perhaps an unfair stereotype of Gays Red, the sort of sterotype that you might understandably not be so happy about if it was about Gypsies.

I thought this tbh ?

Just because your homosexual doesn't neccesarily mean you are feminine or that you would be "soft".

Jesus H Christ guys, am I not allowed to speak "because I wouldn't like it if someone said it about Gypsies"?

I made a tiny weak joke about a naff TV soap, not about gays, who by the way, I would expect to be somewhat feminine, and who I would also suspect, wouldn't take that as an insult. It's not harmful, spiteful stereotyping.

Policemen stopping you twice a day because you live on a caravan site, or asking if they can search your home because it will satisfy the neighbours. Teachers refusing to teach your children, parents refusing to allow their kids to go to school with yours. Getting beaten up. Being told you stink, or that you are a dirty thief when you're a little boy trying to buy sweets in a shop. Having to fight for 10 years for the right to live in your own home on your own land. Picking the newspaper up and reading blatant anti Gypsy headlines, Seeing signs in pubs that say "No Gypsies" in this day and age. That's Harmful Hurtful stereotyping.

Once again. I'm very sorry if I offended anyone, I will try to be more careful in future.

Gays suffer from a lot of similar things to those listed above too - I'm sure they can draw many parallels with some of the predjudices you mention that Gypsies suffer from.

Very true.  Gay people have suffered discrimination and persecution throughout many periods of history, and although nowadays it could be argued that there is a lot more tolerance, there is still a great degree of prejudice and discrimination towards them. Gay couples turned away from hotels, discriminated against in the work-place, by the armed forces, education, sport, etc.

Tying it in to Remembrance Sunday, one very famous gay person can be remembered: Alan Turing.  His work, along with other 'codebreakers' at Bletchley Park were key in helping the Allies win WWII.  In return, he was treated terribly by the British government.  Instead of being treated as a hero, he was punished for being gay (homosexual acts were a crime at the time) and chemically castrated.

A documentary about him soon on Channel 4 that will be fascinating.  A true genius, one of the greatest Britain has ever produced.  Sadly, prejudice meant his life ended in ignominy. 

[byronkincaid]

My perception of the post was that it was perhaps an unfair stereotype of Gays Red, the sort of sterotype that you might understandably not be so happy about if it was about Gypsies.

I thought this tbh ?

Just because your homosexual doesn't neccesarily mean you are feminine or that you would be "soft".

Jesus H Christ guys, am I not allowed to speak "because I wouldn't like it if someone said it about Gypsies"?

I made a tiny weak joke about a naff TV soap, not about gays, who by the way, I would expect to be somewhat feminine, and who I would also suspect, wouldn't take that as an insult. It's not harmful, spiteful stereotyping.

Policemen stopping you twice a day because you live on a caravan site, or asking if they can search your home because it will satisfy the neighbours. Teachers refusing to teach your children, parents refusing to allow their kids to go to school with yours. Getting beaten up. Being told you stink, or that you are a dirty thief when you're a little boy trying to buy sweets in a shop. Having to fight for 10 years for the right to live in your own home on your own land. Picking the newspaper up and reading blatant anti Gypsy headlines, Seeing signs in pubs that say "No Gypsies" in this day and age. That's Harmful Hurtful stereotyping.

Once again. I'm very sorry if I offended anyone, I will try to be more careful in future.

Gays suffer from a lot of similar things to those listed above too - I'm sure they can draw many parallels with some of the predjudices you mention that Gypsies suffer from.

Very true.  Gay people have suffered discrimination and persecution throughout many periods of history, and although nowadays it could be argued that there is a lot more tolerance, there is still a great degree of prejudice and discrimination towards them. Gay couples turned away from hotels, discriminated against in the work-place, by the armed forces, education, sport, etc.

Tying it in to Remembrance Sunday, one very famous gay person can be remembered: Alan Turing.  His work, along with other 'codebreakers' at Bletchley Park were key in helping the Allies win WWII.  In return, he was treated terribly by the British government.  Instead of being treated as a hero, he was punished for being gay (homosexual acts were a crime at the time) and chemically castrated.

A documentary about him soon on Channel 4 that will be fascinating.  A true genius, one of the greatest Britain has ever produced.  Sadly, prejudice meant his life ended in ignominy. 

yeah but could he have beaten up phil mitchell or was he a bit too girly?

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Mrs Red was telling me that during the ceremony today she happened to mention that her feet were hurting.

"Mother! Suck it up" Barked my daughter. "There are men who crawled on their bellies across the mud of the Somme to be here, and I don't hear them complaining".

[kinboshi]

My perception of the post was that it was perhaps an unfair stereotype of Gays Red, the sort of sterotype that you might understandably not be so happy about if it was about Gypsies.

I thought this tbh ?

Just because your homosexual doesn't neccesarily mean you are feminine or that you would be "soft".

Jesus H Christ guys, am I not allowed to speak "because I wouldn't like it if someone said it about Gypsies"?

I made a tiny weak joke about a naff TV soap, not about gays, who by the way, I would expect to be somewhat feminine, and who I would also suspect, wouldn't take that as an insult. It's not harmful, spiteful stereotyping.

Policemen stopping you twice a day because you live on a caravan site, or asking if they can search your home because it will satisfy the neighbours. Teachers refusing to teach your children, parents refusing to allow their kids to go to school with yours. Getting beaten up. Being told you stink, or that you are a dirty thief when you're a little boy trying to buy sweets in a shop. Having to fight for 10 years for the right to live in your own home on your own land. Picking the newspaper up and reading blatant anti Gypsy headlines, Seeing signs in pubs that say "No Gypsies" in this day and age. That's Harmful Hurtful stereotyping.

Once again. I'm very sorry if I offended anyone, I will try to be more careful in future.

Gays suffer from a lot of similar things to those listed above too - I'm sure they can draw many parallels with some of the predjudices you mention that Gypsies suffer from.

Very true.  Gay people have suffered discrimination and persecution throughout many periods of history, and although nowadays it could be argued that there is a lot more tolerance, there is still a great degree of prejudice and discrimination towards them. Gay couples turned away from hotels, discriminated against in the work-place, by the armed forces, education, sport, etc.

Tying it in to Remembrance Sunday, one very famous gay person can be remembered: Alan Turing.  His work, along with other 'codebreakers' at Bletchley Park were key in helping the Allies win WWII.  In return, he was treated terribly by the British government.  Instead of being treated as a hero, he was punished for being gay (homosexual acts were a crime at the time) and chemically castrated.

A documentary about him soon on Channel 4 that will be fascinating.  A true genius, one of the greatest Britain has ever produced.  Sadly, prejudice meant his life ended in ignominy. 

yeah but could he have beaten up phil mitchell or was he a bit too girly?

Dunno, maybe he'd have hit him with his handbag?

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