Too tight?

[NoflopsHomer]

Very early on in the Stars EPT Ladder Stage.

I'm pretty sure he won't pass if I move in here, the raise is too big for me to flat-call. What do people think? And what range of hands do you put him on?

PokerStars Game #14921749931: Tournament #75625987, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/01/29 - 21:13:36 (ET)
Table '75625987 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Foaming_H (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: casinokid780 (1540 in chips)
Seat 3: sirjames4 (1450 in chips)
Seat 4: Floops (1470 in chips)
Seat 5: stevie444 (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: deut23-10 (1510 in chips)
Seat 7: DreamWeaver1 (1745 in chips)
Seat 8: BluffMag (2000 in chips)
Seat 9: Onanist (815 in chips)
deut23-10: posts small blind 10
DreamWeaver1: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Foaming_H [ ]
BluffMag is connected
BluffMag: folds
Onanist: folds
Foaming_H: raises 40 to 60
casinokid780: raises 240 to 300
sirjames4: folds
Floops: folds
stevie444: folds
deut23-10: folds
DreamWeaver1: folds
Foaming_H: folds

[Longy]

I pass here and did this with ak as a matter of course against most players when i played sngs. No need to felt non paired hands in the 1st level.

What is the payout structure, it does make a difference but unless its winner take all, I doubt it makes much difference.

[NoflopsHomer]

1st and 2nd -- Step 5
3rd -- Step 4 (the one I'm currently on)
4th and 5th -- Step 3
6th -- Step 2.

I found that the standard to be fairly mixed, but for him to 5 x my raise means A-K or a scared medium to big pair.

Edit, big meaning JJ-TT...

[Longy]

1st and 2nd -- Step 5
3rd -- Step 4 (the one I'm currently on)
4th and 5th -- Step 3
6th -- Step 2.

I found that the standard to be fairly mixed, but for him to 5 x my raise means A-K or a scared medium to big pair.

Hmmm interesting never play steps, so never played such a funky payout structure. It does make me lean even more to passing though.

[Sonic]

I am programmed to hate folding AK preflop but yeah I can't see many people making such a large raise with AQ, especially early in a Step 4, so folding is probably good. If folding is a mistake it can only be a very small one unless it's a very atypical villain.

[LuckyLloyd]

Nit. I shove here like always.

[boldie]

Nit. I shove here like always.

I agree, thought I'm not a STT player. You have to play the Step4 like a proper STT as only top 3 will really do, so would be interested in what the STT pushbots have to say.

[Hairydude]

I dont think it is a shove all the way....against a solid player- at the very LEAST you are up against a pair from 9's to queens and a big dog a small amount of times with them having AA or KK, so in all of these instances you are a dog(-ve exp over the course of it) albeit a small dog against underpairs(55/45), but over time you will lose out. Obviously the odd time you will be up against an ideal AQ or AQs but I think there is a far bigger range of hands you are behind against.

It could be a complete donk playing something like KQs but you dont have enough information yet to determine this so I dont think it is a shove

[ACE2M]

trivial fold

[temp0r]

Nit. I shove here like always.

I agree, thought I'm not a STT player. You have to play the Step4 like a proper STT as only top 3 will really do, so would be interested in what the STT pushbots have to say.

i'd say less than half of winning STT pushboy strat pros who play this limit would even raise AK here let alone re-raise shove against an unknown in the first level!!!

[boldie]

Nit. I shove here like always.

I agree, thought I'm not a STT player. You have to play the Step4 like a proper STT as only top 3 will really do, so would be interested in what the STT pushbots have to say.

i'd say less than half of winning STT pushboy strat pros who play this limit would even raise AK here let alone re-raise shove against an unknown in the first level!!!

You can't look at the limit though as the Steps sats are not filled with 215$ players but with 20 and 7$ players

[booder]

look like 10 10 or j j or q q to me........i race here to get into a favourable position to pressure other stacks once the blinds get bigger.as Boldie says,a lot of people have climbed from smaller buyin levels and the standard of play is not always great,even level 5 and 6

[Bazzaboy]

standard

[fidget]

I think the payout structure means a push makes more sense here than in a normal stt
someone who has climbed from step 1 can probably pass QQ here just because they don't want to start again

[Horneris]

Hmm i prefer Green & Blue cards and these are Red and Black so probably fold.

Would call if they were suited though coz with the four colour deck, suited cards look amazing (esp Blue & Green ones as iv said).

Id probably call if one was Blue & one was Green aswell.