How does someones age affect your view on someones poker ability?

[Grier78]

I find it hard to distinguish between student types, they all look the same have too much money to waste and will either be really good or really bad.

The main problem I have is a lack of facial recognition and I cant remember any faces unless I actually know them very well.

[Longy]

Ok well the poll seems to agree with my viewpoint, that the younger the player the more likely they are to be fundamentally good. Of course this is a sweeping generalisation.

Yet alot of the young people coming into the game tend to be well educated as opposed to the past where the game had a seedy image and any university educated person playing poker would be an outcast. The game has alot of maths behind it and peoples mathematical ability is at its height in your early 20's.

Also younger people have often alot of experience online playing 1000's of hands and have access to forums, coaching tools etc. It is simply the truth that younger people are generally more savvy with the internet and therefore utilise it more. Therefore making up and often passing any experience an older person might have. The number of older players have chatted coming out with I never play on the internet as its rigged etc, seriously anyone who says that you can put down as a weaker player.

I cleverly made the poll so I was in the younger category, go me.

[johnbhoy76]

Ok i know there are very good players ranging from Annette to Doyle, but I sat down tonight at dtd to play the 50 f/o (you can tell it went well from the time lol) and looking round the table to a mixture of age groups and immediatley categorised them into who I thought was likely to be good or not.

I do this almost without thinking now and was wondering whether other people think the same. I won't reveal my thoughts though many may be able to guess.

Cue the Tikay jokes.

I don't think age really matters. There's some very good older players and some very good young players too.

I try not to make any assumptions when I sit at a table as they are often wrong.

Basically just take folk as you find them

[doubleup]

any university educated person playing poker would be an outcast.

That is pretty much bollocks.  I can think of at least 7 "older" players just from the Glasgow area including myself that have played for years and have university education.

ps think yourself lucky you aren't on 2+2, a similar poll put the upper age group at 26+.......

[Tractor]

Quote from JC in the ept live update, which is quite relevant to this thread.

Interestingly in the  EPT live feed commentary, Elky commented he thinks that Mike McDonald is the best and most experienced player on the final table.

When you think that McDonald is only 18 years old, this just highlights the way poker has changed over the years!

[Longy]

any university educated person playing poker would be an outcast.

That is pretty much bollocks.  I can think of at least 7 "older" players just from the Glasgow area including myself that have played for years and have university education.

ps think yourself lucky you aren't on 2+2, a similar poll put the upper age group at 26+.......

I was more talking of my dads age group he played bridge at a pretty high level for most of his adult life and is pretty good at all card games. He looked very seriously into playing cards for a living but the only game you could make money at consistently was poker in his view, in the 70's this was a complete non starter as far as he was concerned and if you read big deal etc there was a massive stigma to it still in the late 80's, Phil Hellmuth nearly disowned him when he went pro from what i understand. There is no doubt in my mind that until the recent poker boom, the poker population was made up of a smaller % of mathematically bright people.

I saw that poll on 2p2, which pretty much sums up the readership of that forum. Which goes to prove another point as that is certainly the place despite its faults, is the best free resource of poker strategy on the internet.

[doubleup]

Still not sure that I agree, holdem mtts in uk casinos started in maybe 1994. I started in 96 I think.  All the players I mentioned played pre-moneymaker and all played on the internet pre-moneymaker because of limited opportunties live.  Although initially there were only limit mtts and cash.

I do probably agree with your general sentiments, but only because of the advances in theory which means that a certain amount of time has to be spent studying the game and middle aged recreational players are less likely to spend the time required due to other commitments.

[blonde17]

 

"WITH AGE COMES EXPERIENCE"

But..The key is.... how you use it..

1 yr on the IT gives you as much experience of "Hands" as 5yrs "Live" play but..
The live arena has no substitute

The IT is a good place to start and also to practice ...

Any of the "Old Guard " that doesn`t adapt to the Newer style of play is destined to failure but...
So is the IT whiz who doesn`t respect the Wily old Fox...

Age is not the question....Ability to adapt is..

[NoflopsHomer]

"WITH AGE COMES EXPERIENCE"

But..The key is.... how you use it..

1 yr on the IT gives you as much experience of "Hands" as 5yrs "Live" play but..
The live arena has no substitute

The IT is a good place to start and also to practice ...

Any of the "Old Guard " that doesn`t adapt to the Newer style of play is destined to failure but...
So is the IT whiz who doesn`t respect the Wily old Fox...

Age is not the question....Ability to adapt is..

Great point, especially considering 18 year-old Mike McDonald is HU for the EPT Dortmund Title...

[LOJ]

Being relitevly new to live poker I'm pretty weary of anyone I play with until a few hands have been dealt.  Until I see what cards they are raising with, calling with, etc, I try not to assume anything about the player Im up against.

Any aggresive player is a tough one,and after reading Doyles super series, everyone is trying to do the same.  Trick is to figure them out and thats the time to use the asumption.

So in answer to the question, I dont judge anyone when I see them. (only Kinboshi >  ) 

You are welcome at ANY TIME at my table.

I think I have been & ive donated quite a few chips to you.....   

[rudders]

Ok well the poll seems to agree with my viewpoint, that the younger the player the more likely they are to be fundamentally good. Of course this is a sweeping generalisation.

this is not strictly true- the poll reflects who you would rather not have at your table - according to the question  posed anyway, rather than the thread title anyway. And I may have put older folk because they can be "rocky" and in a cash game it is sooooo hard to get money out of them. Or it may be because all the more senior ladies and gents that i have played with recently have spent the whole time whinging and complaining ( all topics covered from  too hot , too cold noisy "kids", the food the weather people not playing properly etc) there are honourable exceptions to this of whom the doc in cardiff I would play with any day of the week.

Yet alot of the young people coming into the game tend to be well educated as opposed to the past where the game had a seedy image and any university educated person playing poker would be an outcast. The game has alot of maths behind it and peoples mathematical ability is at its height in your early 20's.

Educated- maybe- although not in terms of poker etiquette, and in some cases general manners. As far as i am aware going to university does mean that you are good at maths- in fact it saddens me how many people are coming out of school unable to do even the simplest sums without the aid of a calculator

Also younger people have often alot of experience online playing 1000's of hands and have access to forums, coaching tools etc. It is simply the truth that younger people are generally more savvy with the internet and therefore utilise it more. Therefore making up and often passing any experience an older person might have. The number of older players have chatted coming out with I never play on the internet as its rigged etc, seriously anyone who says that you can put down as a weaker player.

Oh come on! do you really think that only young people have this experience- Greg Raymer and action jack are 2 immediate examples of fairly successful (sic) not so young players who have thrived on the internet.  I have played a few hands online too... and am well into your middle catergory.  have spoken to plenty of younger players who will also swear blind that tinternet poker is sooo rigged

I cleverly made the poll so I was in the younger category, go me.

well done- did you need a calculator?? lol 

Ah thats better- justa fancied an arguement really- saturday night and all

[kinboshi]

As far as Roshambo goes, experience certainly counts.  Of course, there's always the Laxie approach - completely bamboozle your opponent .

[rudders]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhh roshambo.... such happy memories.  As far as laxie was concerned--- she just scared me senseless

[Longy]

Ok well the poll seems to agree with my viewpoint, that the younger the player the more likely they are to be fundamentally good. Of course this is a sweeping generalisation.

this is not strictly true- the poll reflects who you would rather not have at your table - according to the question  posed anyway, rather than the thread title anyway. And I may have put older folk because they can be "rocky" and in a cash game it is sooooo hard to get money out of them. Or it may be because all the more senior ladies and gents that i have played with recently have spent the whole time whinging and complaining ( all topics covered from  too hot , too cold noisy "kids", the food the weather people not playing properly etc) there are honourable exceptions to this of whom the doc in cardiff I would play with any day of the week.

Your point is exactly what? If you give me a bunch of rocks i will simply run them over and fold when i get heat whereas if I have bunch of fundamentally solid players I have a bunch of difficult decision. Younger players are more likely to be fundamentally solid, give me a bunch of older player any day of the week.

Yet alot of the young people coming into the game tend to be well educated as opposed to the past where the game had a seedy image and any university educated person playing poker would be an outcast. The game has alot of maths behind it and peoples mathematical ability is at its height in your early 20's.

Educated- maybe- although not in terms of poker etiquette, and in some cases general manners. As far as i am aware going to university does mean that you are good at maths- in fact it saddens me how many people are coming out of school unable to do even the simplest sums without the aid of a calculator

Lol wtf has poker etiqutte got to do with this arguement and im not sure what is like where you live. Yet i can tell from my personal experience in Nottingham that pre DTD we lived with a cheating culture which was mostly populated with an older age group. They were rude arrogant and at time Notts Gala was one of the natiest atmospheres in the UK, populated by an average of +40. Those who were under 30 generally had perfect table manners. As i said before though what has this got to do with skill/ability.

Also younger people have often alot of experience online playing 1000's of hands and have access to forums, coaching tools etc. It is simply the truth that younger people are generally more savvy with the internet and therefore utilise it more. Therefore making up and often passing any experience an older person might have. The number of older players have chatted coming out with I never play on the internet as its rigged etc, seriously anyone who says that you can put down as a weaker player.

Oh come on! do you really think that only young people have this experience- Greg Raymer and action jack are 2 immediate examples of fairly successful (sic) not so young players who have thrived on the internet.  I have played a few hands online too... and am well into your middle catergory.  have spoken to plenty of younger players who will also swear blind that tinternet poker is sooo rigged

Congrats you have picked the two people against the rule, I can give you 100's of examples of the vice-versa. The average person who thinks internet poker is rigged is alot older than the person who thinks it isn't. We are talking generalistions not specifics anyway,  as I have clearly pointed out elsewhere in this thread.

I cleverly made the poll so I was in the younger category, go me.

well done- did you need a calculator?? lol 

Yes my mathematics degree clearly left me a slave to my calculator and therefore incapable of making a crap joke.

Ah thats better- justa fancied an arguement really- saturday night and all

Lol ok lets go, I warn you im 10 pints under.My response are in red lets hope i don't regret them.

[rudders]

Ok well the poll seems to agree with my viewpoint, that the younger the player the more likely they are to be fundamentally good. Of course this is a sweeping generalisation.

this is not strictly true- the poll reflects who you would rather not have at your table - according to the question  posed anyway, rather than the thread title anyway. And I may have put older folk because they can be "rocky" and in a cash game it is sooooo hard to get money out of them. Or it may be because all the more senior ladies and gents that i have played with recently have spent the whole time whinging and complaining ( all topics covered from  too hot , too cold noisy "kids", the food the weather people not playing properly etc) there are honourable exceptions to this of whom the doc in cardiff I would play with any day of the week.

Your point is exactly what? If you give me a bunch of rocks i will simply run them over and fold when i get heat whereas if I have bunch of fundamentally solid players I have a bunch of difficult decision. Younger players are more likely to be fundamentally solid, give me a bunch of older player any day of the week.

younger= fudamentally solid?- ure avin a larf arent you- middle group would get my vote here.  My reason was actuaally because oldies have irritated me recantly- simple as- my point -- well that was the thread title and the poll asked different questions

Yet alot of the young people coming into the game tend to be well educated as opposed to the past where the game had a seedy image and any university educated person playing poker would be an outcast. The game has alot of maths behind it and peoples mathematical ability is at its height in your early 20's.

Educated- maybe- although not in terms of poker etiquette, and in some cases general manners. As far as i am aware going to university does mean that you are good at maths- in fact it saddens me how many people are coming out of school unable to do even the simplest sums without the aid of a calculator

Lol wtf has poker etiqutte got to do with this arguement and im not sure what is like where you live. Yet i can tell from my personal experience in Nottingham that pre dtd we lived with a cheating culture which was mostly populated with an older age group. They were rude arrogant and at time Notts Gala was one of the natiest atmospheres in the UK, populated by an average of +40. Those who were under 30 generally had perfect table manners. As i said before though what has this got to do with skill/ability.

Like i said i was answer1ng the poll question rather than the thread title- i agree some oldies (and others) can be a right royal pain in the arse- however i was relating this to the educated comment- and pointing out that education comes in many forms. I despise rudeness (from anyone) more than anything at a table- this does however whooping in the face of people they have just knocked out/inflicted a bad beat on- happened to me after 13 1/2 hours play in the wsop main event this year, and at half three in the morning this stretched my sense of humour to the limit! (ps  this was not an oldie whooping I promise!)

Also younger people have often alot of experience online playing 1000's of hands and have access to forums, coaching tools etc. It is simply the truth that younger people are generally more savvy with the internet and therefore utilise it more. Therefore making up and often passing any experience an older person might have. The number of older players have chatted coming out with I never play on the internet as its rigged etc, seriously anyone who says that you can put down as a weaker player.

Oh come on! do you really think that only young people have this experience- Greg Raymer and action jack are 2 immediate examples of fairly successful (sic) not so young players who have thrived on the internet.  I have played a few hands online too... and am well into your middle catergory.  have spoken to plenty of younger players who will also swear blind that tinternet poker is sooo rigged

Congrats you have picked the two people against the rule, I can give you 100's of examples of the vice-versa. The average person who thinks internet poker is rigged is alot older than the person who thinks it isn't. We are talking generalistions not specifics anyway,  as I have clearly pointed out elsewhere in this thread.

 I cunningly included myself too- maybe I dont count? there may be a few more.... hmm probably lol Can an average person be older? More likely to be average  age i reckon Hehe.  the point is that non younger is very different to the older group- think that many who are not young have embraced all the changes in our game- certainly old- rather than older- playersmay have struggled with these changes
I cleverly made the poll so I was in the younger category, go me.

well done- did you need a calculator?? lol 

Yes my mathematics degree clearly left me a slave to my calculator and therefore incapable of making a crap joke.

  But you just went and did it anyway eh? Seriously do you think your background somewhat slants your view on the mathamatical abilities of the average undergraduate  (my ability to make extemely crap jokes has been unaffected by post school education and and current job...)

Ah thats better- just fancied an arguement really- saturday night and all

Lol ok lets go, I warn you im 10 pints under.My response are in red lets hope i don't regret them.

lol do keep up you lightweight- hehe bloody youngsters- alchohol intake is demonstrated by my responses being in a colour that i do not recognise -wtf is teal anyway- I thought it was a bird.

For the record i treat people as i find them- If you look at someone and assume they will act/play in a certain way  it is a big mistake.  My time in the Army and then in healthcare  has shown me that age can be no more than a mildi indicator of a persons personality/characte, and that making generalisations can lead to disaster

This has been very useful in stopping me from returning to the omaha cash tables where i made some new "buddies" tonight- damn they were bad- but playing drunk is such a bad idea