Should I have called this?

[LuckyLloyd]

God God. First question everyone is:

ARE YOU ON A PAY BUBBLE???

Second question:

IF SO AND THIS IS A FINAL TABLE, WHAT IS THE PAYOUT STRUCTURE?

Third Question:

ANY READS WHATSOEVER ON THE TYPE OF PLAYER THIS GUY IS / A POSSIBLE RANGE OF HANDS HE MAY DO THIS WITH?

[Longy]

God God. First question everyone is:

ARE YOU ON A PAY BUBBLE???

Second question:

IF SO AND THIS IS A FINAL TABLE, WHAT IS THE PAYOUT STRUCTURE?

Third Question:

ANY READS WHATSOEVER ON THE TYPE OF PLAYER THIS GUY IS / A POSSIBLE RANGE OF HANDS HE MAY DO THIS WITH?

Though i agree with this, I think there are going have to be some pretty strange circumstance to make not calling with ak correct here. So i didn't ask.

[kinboshi]

Final table on Stars, $8+.8 tourney.

[LuckyLloyd]

God God. First question everyone is:

ARE YOU ON A PAY BUBBLE???

Second question:

IF SO AND THIS IS A FINAL TABLE, WHAT IS THE PAYOUT STRUCTURE?

Third Question:

ANY READS WHATSOEVER ON THE TYPE OF PLAYER THIS GUY IS / A POSSIBLE RANGE OF HANDS HE MAY DO THIS WITH?

Though i agree with this, I think there are going have to be some pretty strange circumstance to make not calling with ak correct here. So i didn't ask.

Yeah, but everyone should know that there are the important factors that we need to know. This guy could be running at 12 / 4 / 2 the entire tournament and shown a propensity to overshove pf with QQ - AA. Furthermore, we could be on a 15x the buyin paybubble.

If all of that was true, would you call?

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More likely, he has a very wide range here; the paybubble isn't so steep; we have to call. But people need to learn how you break these situations down and make a decision. It has nothing to do with image or "showing the table" or other lol irrelevant considerations.

[Graham C]

It was the final table and for the lowly likes of me, the pay scale was quite steep.   We'd been playing for ages and even 12th only got $80, 9th got about $170 then it was up to just over $2.1k for 1st - that's a nice pay pay day in the $8 games

The guy had been playing tight and the all in preflop was very out of character for him.  The hands he'd ended up showing down had been reasonable hands and he hadn't been caught with mince that I'd seen.  I really didn't know what to put him on.  Had he raised in the same position say 2-4xBB, I'd have had a range to put him on, but all in for 455k for the sake of stealing 28kish in blinds and antes?  It just didn't add up and I didn't know what to think so I folded as I didn't want to lose my nice stack on what could have been anything.

[kinboshi]

It was the final table and for the lowly likes of me, the pay scale was quite steep.   We'd been playing for ages and even 12th only got $80, 9th got about $170 then it was up to just over $2.1k for 1st - that's a nice pay pay day in the $8 games

The guy had been playing tight and the all in preflop was very out of character for him.  The hands he'd ended up showing down had been reasonable hands and he hadn't been caught with mince that I'd seen.  I really didn't know what to put him on.  Had he raised in the same position say 2-4xBB, I'd have had a range to put him on, but all in for 455k for the sake of stealing 28kish in blinds and antes?  It just didn't add up and I didn't know what to think so I folded as I didn't want to lose my nice stack on what could have been anything.

I don't think it's the worst mistake in the world.  Others might disagree.

[Royal Flush]

5 handed although i hate no FE i am never passing this.

[boldie]

It was the final table and for the lowly likes of me, the pay scale was quite steep.   We'd been playing for ages and even 12th only got $80, 9th got about $170 then it was up to just over $2.1k for 1st - that's a nice pay pay day in the $8 games

The guy had been playing tight and the all in preflop was very out of character for him.  The hands he'd ended up showing down had been reasonable hands and he hadn't been caught with mince that I'd seen.  I really didn't know what to put him on.  Had he raised in the same position say 2-4xBB, I'd have had a range to put him on, but all in for 455k for the sake of stealing 28kish in blinds and antes?  It just didn't add up and I didn't know what to think so I folded as I didn't want to lose my nice stack on what could have been anything.

I don't think it's the worst mistake in the world.  Others might disagree.

It's not the worst mistake in the world at all....some people would pass Kings here

[ripple11]

5 handed although i hate no FE i am never passing this.

Flushy is right for once  ......a large % of players are calling here............but then again you won, so by definition it WAS the right decision at the time.

[LeKnave]

but then again you won, so by definition it WAS the right decision at the time.

winning doesn't mean it was the right decision...

you have his range so dead in this spot tht you have to call.  He is probs open shoving with TJs+ QJo+ and 22+ as its and $8 donkament and he has an awkward stack size.

[sharky_uk]

Thinly disguised brag post IMO 



PS. Very nice result!

[Grier78]

If its uncharacteristic of him to open shove preflop and he is normally playing tight solid then you can easily put him on JJ or QQ. They are hands he knows are strong but he has a history of getting beaten when seeing a flop with them and so is scared of seeing a flop. He can't fold them so he open shoves and leaves it all to lady luck. I see it all the time and unless I want to race then I will fold (if there is extra value in the pot then I might call).

If the guy is at all loose then I instacall because I crush his range..

[Longy]

If aq is his range we are  50% to win the pot, with the overlay in the pot. Not calling would be a mistake. I would be very surprised if aq isn't in his range.


924,644,160  games     0.005 secs   184,928,832,000  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    49.175%     38.86%    10.32%         359277240     95413566.00   { AKo }
Hand 1:    50.825%     40.51%    10.32%         374539788     95413566.00   { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ }

[Royal Flush]

If aq is his range we are  50% to win the pot, with the overlay in the pot. Not calling would be a mistake. I would be very surprised if aq isn't in his range.


924,644,160  games     0.005 secs   184,928,832,000  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    49.175%     38.86%    10.32%         359277240     95413566.00   { AKo }
Hand 1:    50.825%     40.51%    10.32%         374539788     95413566.00   { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ }

50% makes it incorrect to call given the difference between TEV and $EV, i would suggest though that his range doesn't cover AA and KK.

[AlexMartin]

Hmmm, maybe im missing something but this isnt a clear cut 100% call all day long in my eyes. Its a 40BB shove and surely its worth considering a fold. fwiw i prolly fold here.