wot do u think is the correct play?

[AgentChip109]

just made final table of $14k on full tilt as chip leader wiv 140,000. after a few orbits im down to 115,000 and in 2nd place.

blinds are 1,500/3000. chip leader opens utg+1 for 7800. he has 125,000. after hardly any action for a while, im then really surpised to see it get called in 3 spots by a mid position player, cuttoff and button.
chip leader is a good, winning player and has reraised me off a few steal attempts

im in BB wiv  .

pot is 34,000

wot is ur move?

1st place pays $3,800
9th place pays $315

[Longy]

I think i would just shove. It may seem like slight overkill but it is definitley +ev and i don't really like the other options. 3 betting smaller leaves awkward stack sizes if called out of position with a hand that misses 2/3 of the time. Calling is just too weak for this hand.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Jam

[turny]

Jam

what he said!

[LeKnave]

shove

[mondatoo]

what was the outcome of the hand then i don't think i would've shoved myself as u would at least seem to be up against 10s or better and wouldn't want to be 5050 or more likely possibly dominated for my tournament life especially this deep

[boldie]

I think i would just shove. It may seem like slight overkill but it is definitley +ev and i don't really like the other options. 3 betting smaller leaves awkward stack sizes if called out of position with a hand that misses 2/3 of the time. Calling is just too weak for this hand.

I agree ..I take the 34k in the middle and race against the one guy who wants to call.

[AlexMartin]

just made final table of $14k on full tilt as chip leader wiv 140,000. after a few orbits im down to 115,000 and in 2nd place.

blinds are 1,500/3000. chip leader opens utg+1 for 7800. he has 125,000. after hardly any action for a while, im then really surpised to see it get called in 3 spots by a mid position player, cuttoff and button.
chip leader is a good, winning player and has reraised me off a few steal attempts

im in BB wiv  .

pot is 34,000

wot is ur move?

1st place pays $3,800
9th place pays $315

Tough spot, i assume 10handed?

Its deffo +EV to shove, but are we nearly have deep enough to make a standard re-raise. I guess with 30k in the middle its prolly just a shove, but i want a better way of playing the hand. Any1 got any bright ideas?

[Longy]

just made final table of $14k on full tilt as chip leader wiv 140,000. after a few orbits im down to 115,000 and in 2nd place.

blinds are 1,500/3000. chip leader opens utg+1 for 7800. he has 125,000. after hardly any action for a while, im then really surpised to see it get called in 3 spots by a mid position player, cuttoff and button.
chip leader is a good, winning player and has reraised me off a few steal attempts

im in BB wiv  .

pot is 34,000

wot is ur move?

1st place pays $3,800
9th place pays $315

Tough spot, i assume 10handed?

Its deffo +EV to shove, but are we nearly have deep enough to make a standard re-raise. I guess with 30k in the middle its prolly just a shove, but i want a better way of playing the hand. Any1 got any bright ideas?

9 handed on full tilt.

[EvilPie]

Definitely can't call. If you hit an ace or a king or even 2 pair you're still scared of trips with all those flat calls.

I'd be very tempted to shove but know that I'd need to hit so the fold would have to be considered. This may seem weak but do we need a 50 50 especially if it's against the chip leader who can send us out.

I suppose one possibility would be to raise it up to 30 to 40k and hope to lose the chip leader. at least then you know you're not going out no matter what (unless he calls!) After this raise you are unlikely to face anything other than all folds or a shove. You can then decide based on their stack what course of action to take. Also the CL would be very brave to bluff you here so you can be certain of what you're up against.

CL is next to act so if he shoves you can get away with 80k and a fighting chance. If he folds then wait and see who calls (if anyone) and decide whether it's worth the 50 50.

[temp0r]

shove. get called by one of the mid position donk callers with 99. double up and go onto win.

[LeKnave]

I'd be very tempted to shove but know that I'd need to hit so the fold would have to be considered. This may seem weak but do we need a 50 50 especially if it's against the chip leader who can send us out.

A fold should NEVER be considered in this spot.  We have absolutely massive foldeq by shoving this hand, the CL will fold a tonne of his range, and as for the flat callers, they're just asking for their limps to be taken. 

I suppose one possibility would be to raise it up to 30 to 40k and hope to lose the chip leader. at least then you know you're not going out no matter what (unless he calls!) After this raise you are unlikely to face anything other than all folds or a shove. You can then decide based on their stack what course of action to take. Also the CL would be very brave to bluff you here so you can be certain of what you're up against.

CL is next to act so if he shoves you can get away with 80k and a fighting chance. If he folds then wait and see who calls (if anyone) and decide whether it's worth the 50 50.

3-betting to fold to the CL's shove is pointless, as by the time uv 3-bet to 40k theres 70K in there, and his shove will put like 200K in there and we have 70Kish back, nearly 3/1 to call for a probably 50/50 shot.

Get it in all day long.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

just made final table of $14k on full tilt as chip leader wiv 140,000. after a few orbits im down to 115,000 and in 2nd place.

blinds are 1,500/3000. chip leader opens utg+1 for 7800. he has 125,000. after hardly any action for a while, im then really surpised to see it get called in 3 spots by a mid position player, cuttoff and button.
chip leader is a good, winning player and has reraised me off a few steal attempts

im in BB wiv  .

pot is 34,000

wot is ur move?

1st place pays $3,800
9th place pays $315

Tough spot, i assume 10handed?

Its deffo +EV to shove, but are we nearly have deep enough to make a standard re-raise. I guess with 30k in the middle its prolly just a shove, but i want a better way of playing the hand. Any1 got any bright ideas?

Jam

[AgentChip109]

thanks for ur responses guys. i did infact shove this hand. the CL took his whole time bank before calling wiv  . his jacks held and i was absolutely gutted to go out 9th.

afterwards there were a few points me and my friends discussed.

- my shove screams AK. UpTheMariners actually phoned me to say  "u have AK dont u". the CL is probably fairly certain he is racing. with 3 other callers in the pot, it is very possible some of my outs are already gone, and he is willing to take this gamble in order to be in an extremely strong position to win the tournament.

- because of this, maybe a raise to 40-55k and then shove any flop makes my hand look stronger and makes it look more like i have KK or AA. i have 2 chances to win this hand. i either take it down preflop, or give him a very tough decision on the flop (which came queen high).

any views on this??

i dont think i made the wrong decision in shoving, as half the time i win. maybe this is just another approach i could take in the future

[I KNOW IT]

thanks for ur responses guys. i did infact shove this hand. the CL took his whole time bank before calling wiv  . his jacks held and i was absolutely gutted to go out 9th.

afterwards there were a few points me and my friends discussed.

- my shove screams AK. UpTheMariners actually phoned me to say  "u have AK dont u". the CL is probably fairly certain he is racing. with 3 other callers in the pot, it is very possible some of my outs are already gone, and he is willing to take this gamble in order to be in an extremely strong position to win the tournament.

- because of this, maybe a raise to 40-55k and then shove any flop makes my hand look stronger and makes it look more like i have KK or AA. i have 2 chances to win this hand. i either take it down preflop, or give him a very tough decision on the flop (which came queen high).

any views on this??

i dont think i made the wrong decision in shoving, as half the time i win. maybe this is just another approach i could take in the future

Most certainly looks like AK being such a big over raise.
. Would you shove with AA or KK in this spot? I see so many shove with AK online. Are people scared to play flops and choose instead to  race?
Personally Id prefer the above mentioned play of raise to 35k.  If he repops you then you can re evaluate. You will still have 80k with blinds at 1500 3000 if you fold or you can go with him. Im not saying you should fold but reraising to about 35k is going to give you a little more info before you commit your whole stack.  I suppose it amounts to how confident you are in your post flop play. I personally aint a fan of preflop coin flips when I have a stack still allowing a lot of play.Remember you said he was a decent player and he knows you can severly cripple him also, so its not going to be a straight forward reshove from him with out AA or KK
Why reduce your edge