My Marginal Spots in the Irish Open

[Rookie (Rodney)]

All lines are fine IMO, against Duthie i probably fold on the river too, a good player - once you call the turn - can see the board is pretty dry and would imagine you will be looking to call a bet on the river once you've called the turn and checked. Therefore a 2nd bet would be just value betting for you in their eyes.

That combined with the fact he bets only 1600 makes this a fold for me, 3k and i have a slightly tougher decision, but probs still a fold.

[AlexMartin]

I think you played well overall tbh Floppy, just didnt get a run of cards in position. I think that in the 1010 v Duthie hand i call river if i havent craise bluffed the turn.
Depending on table i might fold the Jacks. Ul m8.

[Royal Flush]

Rookie/Lloyd, have either of you played Duthie?

[LuckyLloyd]

Rookie/Lloyd, have either of you played Duthie?

Nope. You has a read. Got it.

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: LuckyLloyd

Nope. You has a read. Got it.

Considering Flushy snap-calls with the worst hand on the river I don't think it's a very good read though do you?

You can reasonably argue a case for both folding and calling on the river in this hand...and this is because Duthie has played it well. When he checks behind on the flop I would think he has a big hand. With his advantage of position, chips, and the fact he was the ep pre-flop raiser I would expect a c-bet as standard.

So when I check again on the turn I expect him to make a standard bet...but he pots it. I think this is an excellent bet from Duthie because now I'm wondering why he would make it so big if he was strong, especially after his flop check. So if you do call the turn I think it's very hard to check-fold for 1,600 on a 7 river. If Duthie rates you as a player he could easily value-bet-bluff here because he knows he's putting out a very callable amount. Small enough to make you suspiscious enough to fold.

I think the critical thing in this hand is how Duthie sees you as a player. If your image is good then Duthie putting out a suspisciously big turn bet for you to notice could give you a reason to fold at that early point.....in an ideal results-orientated world of course.

[Royal Flush]

Considering Flushy snap-calls with the worst hand on the river I don't think it's a very good read though do you?

Show and tell are 2 very different things.

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: Royal Flush

Show and tell are 2 very different things.

Showing, telling, and telling after your exit from a tournament are actually 3 very different things.

[Royal Flush]

Posted by: Royal Flush

Show and tell are 2 very different things.

Showing, telling, and telling after your exit from a tournament are actually 3 very different things.

Correct.

If i like someone i am not going to tell someone after they are out that i bluffed them.

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: Royal Flush

If i like someone i am not going to tell someone after they are out that i bluffed them.

lol, yes you would, and you'd take a good deal of pleasure from it as well.

I didn't know John Duthie liked NoFlopsHomer thou.

Either way A-Q was almost certainly his hand. Don't need Duthie to tell me because the action does.

[Graham C]

I think everyone likes Homer, he gets about

[Royal Flush]

Posted by: Royal Flush

If i like someone i am not going to tell someone after they are out that i bluffed them.

lol, yes you would, and you'd take a good deal of pleasure from it as well.

I didn't know John Duthie liked NoFlopsHomer thou.

Either way A-Q was almost certainly his hand. Don't need Duthie to tell me because the action does.

lol ok, i forgot you have played Duthie so much.

Some guy playing a comp bigger than usual, that i know, i then bluff him, after the comp i will tell him i had him beat. Maybe that's just me, i don't take much pleasure in rubbing the guy down.

[NoflopsHomer]

Posted by: Royal Flush

If i like someone i am not going to tell someone after they are out that i bluffed them.

lol, yes you would, and you'd take a good deal of pleasure from it as well.

I didn't know John Duthie liked NoFlopsHomer thou.

Either way A-Q was almost certainly his hand. Don't need Duthie to tell me because the action does.

lol ok, i forgot you have played Duthie so much.

Some guy playing a comp bigger than usual, that i know, i then bluff him, after the comp i will tell him i had him beat. Maybe that's just me, i don't take much pleasure in rubbing the guy down.

You'd deffo make sure I knew you had bluffed me!

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: Royal Flush

lol ok, i forgot you have played Duthie so much.

Some guy playing a comp bigger than usual, that i know, i then bluff him, after the comp i will tell him i had him beat. Maybe that's just me, i don't take much pleasure in rubbing the guy down.

I wasn't aware you had a caring, sharing side to your character. FWIW continuing with the bluff after the comp doesn't do the guy you know any favours at all. He's asking for help with his poker education and you keep him in the dark to spare his feelings. Very noble.

Also I'd forget the chirp about playing Duthie before, because it seems to be of no help, and start wondering if it's possible to fold the turn. Why does he bet so much here and what does he think you're going to make of it?

[Royal Flush]

Also I'd forget the chirp about playing Duthie before, because it seems to be of no help, and start wondering if it's possible to fold the turn. Why does he bet so much here and what does he think you're going to make of it?

lol chirp?

I would have thought knowing the oppo is key to this hand.

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: Royal Flush

I would have thought knowing the oppo is key to this hand.

Not really. The key to this hand is what Duthie thinks about YOU as a player. If he doesn't rate you his turn pot bet could just be an attempt to buy it. Still begs the question why he didn't c-bet though. But if he thinks you're a decent, thinking player then why would he put out a bet that's going to look like a steal? Maybe your thorough knowledge of this popular EPT commentator will enlighten us?