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« Reply #45 on: April 18, 2008, 06:03:01 PM » |
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If someone died at the table, so no chance of them coming back, would you remove their chips? If thet got left on and that dead person monied, who would collect the winnings?
Cue comments about there being plenty of dead money in most tournaments ayway...
...and what if the dead person had backers? Would they have a right to claim a chunk of any winnings if said dead person's stack remainied on the table and monied?
does this year's GUKPT still have the rule that an absent player cannot be blinded out of a tournament? if so your dead player could actually win Not 100% sure but I don't think so. Will get back to you once I've found out for sure. |
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LLevan
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« Reply #46 on: April 18, 2008, 07:11:26 PM » |
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A very interesting debate and personally I believe the chips should remain at the table and the player be blinded off. An interesting ruling at the Palm Beach casino about 12 months ago which was 1 of the main reasons I no longer play there:
Its a £250 FO and 18 runners are declared. The tournament starts on time at 830pm and 1 player is not seated at the start. His chips are blinded off as apparently he is in the building(this was prior to the 2005 Act) and doing his cobblers on the wheel. He is 1 of many high rollers on table games at the Palm Beach. Anyway by the time his stack has almost been decimated by being blinded out its announced by the TD that the casino have decided to give him his £250 + £25 reg fee since he has done his proverbials on the wheel. His remaining few hundred chips are removed from the table and play continues. I was sitting on the other table so the free chips were never on offer to me. As we reach the FT the TD produces a piece of paper with the prize breakdown and I see it totals £4250 which equates to 17 buyins. I quiz the TD and I'm not that due to the high roller not sitting down the casino have refunded him his stake. Obviously I'm not too happy since for starters the 8 players on the other table had helped themselves to 80% of his stack before the chips were removed from play. I make it quite clear to the TD that if the casino decided to refund the high roller his poker stake that they should have done this as an ex gratia payment and not removed it from the prize pool unless they had of removed his chips from the table prior to the start of the tournament. The TD couldn't give me a valid excuse apart from saying it was out of their hands and a casino manager was called into the room. He made it quite clear that if we didnt like their decision then so be it but they werent budging on it. I didnt cash in the tournament but since that day I havent been back to the casino and have no intention of doing so again, to me it was theft by the casino out of the tournament prize pool. So much for licenced premises in this instance.
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Colchester Kev
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« Reply #47 on: April 18, 2008, 07:12:36 PM » |
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A very interesting debate and personally I believe the chips should remain at the table and the player be blinded off. An interesting ruling at the Palm Beach casino about 12 months ago which was 1 of the main reasons I no longer play there:
Its a £250 FO and 18 runners are declared. The tournament starts on time at 830pm and q
They shot him just as he was getting to the good bit ... |
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« Reply #48 on: April 18, 2008, 07:20:47 PM » |
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A very interesting debate and personally I believe the chips should remain at the table and the player be blinded off. An interesting ruling at the Palm Beach casino about 12 months ago which was 1 of the main reasons I no longer play there:
Its a £250 FO and 18 runners are declared. The tournament starts on time at 830pm and q
They shot him just as he was getting to the good bit ... shame, I was enjoying the story up to then |
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« Reply #49 on: April 18, 2008, 07:23:33 PM » |
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Sorry chaps its edited now
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Colchester Kev
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« Reply #50 on: April 18, 2008, 07:25:18 PM » |
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Sorry chaps its edited now
I preferred the first draft ... I love a mystery. |
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LLevan
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« Reply #51 on: April 18, 2008, 07:26:28 PM » |
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Sorry chaps its edited now
I preferred the first draft ... I love a mystery. Maybe I should have left it for you to finish lol |
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« Reply #52 on: April 18, 2008, 07:29:21 PM » |
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Sorry chaps its edited now
I preferred the first draft ... I love a mystery. Maybe I should have left it for you to finish lol Mine would have had norkage at least !!! |
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« Reply #53 on: April 18, 2008, 07:31:11 PM » |
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Sorry chaps its edited now
I preferred the first draft ... I love a mystery. Maybe I should have left it for you to finish lol Mine would have had norkage at least !!! FFS lemme re-edit it quick lol |
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« Reply #54 on: April 19, 2008, 06:57:24 PM » |
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An absent player can be ante'd out of a comp. The only rule Grov's / gukpt has every had is that you cant be knocked out of a comp in a chip race.
Thanks for the back handed compliment TK but I was only posting what Grosvenor's rules have been for atleast the last 6 yrs.
The comments that they are'nt being followed throughout the group should'nt surprise anyone who has played over the years or read many of the post's on here. Although Grov's have a rules committee (of which J Raab is on) few of the T'DS follow it, so we have different rulings across the estate.
But the Grosvenor rule is that if a player is removed from play or gives us notice that they will not be returning the chips will be re-moved.
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« Reply #55 on: April 19, 2008, 07:08:53 PM » |
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An absent player can be ante'd out of a comp. The only rule Grov's / gukpt has every had is that you cant be knocked out of a comp in a chip race.
this was certainly not the case for GUKPT last year. at the Vic a player at my table went home in a strop after a bad beat leaving a few chips behind. he survived at least 4 all-ins as it was ruled he could not be ante'd out of the tourney so his hand was live each time he was all in. also happened in one of the side events at Walsall, in that case the absent player survived an all in on the bubble and actually went on to cash. |
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« Reply #56 on: April 19, 2008, 07:21:28 PM » |
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Hey like i say td's dont follow the rules that are on the board.
They also have a rule stating that if you are'nt at your seat when the cards are dealt your hand is classed as dead if you are a blind its tough.
So the person that was all in should have had his hand folded.. Such a bullshit call by the td on that one, they should of been folded.
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« Reply #57 on: April 19, 2008, 07:24:10 PM » |
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another option whic i detest is after 3 hands missing from a table you post a bB every hand
this soon gets rid of your chips and is used in the international casino
personally i hate it as it means rushing when going to bathroom and certain people not washing ther hands
also if you are going for a pee and a smoke you go for one rush back to table see a hand dealt then off again
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« Reply #58 on: April 19, 2008, 07:37:01 PM » |
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another option whic i detest is after 3 hands missing from a table you post a bB every hand
this soon gets rid of your chips and is used in the international casino
personally i hate it as it means rushing when going to bathroom and certain people not washing ther hands
also if you are going for a pee and a smoke you go for one rush back to table see a hand dealt then off again
Grov's had this for a while aswell but it's like putting Kev in charge of the buffet, JUST WRONG |
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« Reply #59 on: April 19, 2008, 07:54:23 PM » |
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Sorry chaps its edited now
I preferred the first draft ... I love a mystery. That is why he re-raises without looking at his cards.... |
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