More PLO... Anyone pass this turn?

[NoflopsHomer]

Full Tilt Poker Game #6093232521: Table Pyle - $1/$2 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 7:34:03 ET - 2008/04/19
Seat 1: Gecko999 ($279.55)
Seat 2: slack10 ($184.20)
Seat 3: Foaming_Homer ($198)
Seat 4: KiwiVic ($49.35)
Seat 5: 808smooth808 ($227.35)
Seat 6: mylar49 ($266.15)
Seat 7: vfb73 ($0), is sitting out
Seat 8: rincas ($246.15)
Seat 9: russboy78 ($325.80)
Foaming_Homer posts the small blind of $1
KiwiVic posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Foaming_Homer [ ]
808smooth808 calls $2
mylar49 calls $2
rincas folds
russboy78 calls $2
Gecko999 calls $2
slack10 folds
Foaming_Homer calls $1
KiwiVic checks
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Foaming_Homer bets $8
KiwiVic folds
808smooth808 calls $8
vfb73 stands up
mylar49 folds
russboy78 calls $8
Gecko999 calls $8
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Foaming_Homer bets $32
808smooth808 has 15 seconds left to act
808smooth808 calls $32
russboy78 folds
Gecko999 raises to $172
Foaming_Homer raises to $188, and is all in
808smooth808 has 15 seconds left to act
808smooth808 folds
Gecko999 calls $16
Foaming_Homer shows [ ]
Gecko999 shows [ ]
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Foaming_Homer shows three of a kind, Nines
Gecko999 shows three of a kind, Kings
Gecko999 wins the pot ($449) with three of a kind, Kings

[doubleup]

I think it probably is a pass, its a very odd way for him to play a draw - so it really must be the nuts.

[Royal Flush]

I think it probably is a pass, its a very odd way for him to play a draw - so it really must be the nuts.

More unlikely he flopped a set i think.

I hate full ring but i think you should be getting it in here.

[NoflopsHomer]

I think it probably is a pass, its a very odd way for him to play a draw - so it really must be the nuts.

Because of all the flop action, I was sure Kings would raise on the flop. The turn made me think he had some sort of combi-hand that had picked up an extra straight draw on the turn.

And yes flushy I agree about full ring, but earlier there was barely 4 1/2 PLO tables going at all!

[boldie]

hmm without the flush or straight redraw you could argue a fold here i think..not sure I could fold it though.

[doubleup]

I think it probably is a pass, its a very odd way for him to play a draw - so it really must be the nuts.

Because of all the flop action, I was sure Kings would raise on the flop. The turn made me think he had some sort of combi-hand that had picked up an extra straight draw on the turn.

And yes flushy I agree about full ring, but earlier there was barely 4 1/2 PLO tables going at all!

I did consider the combi hand thing, but the board isn't really there.  Some variance damaged players do like to wait for a safe turn.  I'm so variance damaged myself I think I might start taking this line, particulary if it leads to big mistakes from opponents.

[FuglyBaz]

Very tough spot to be in Homer. Totally read dependant. Would I raise with Kings if the other cards were junk? Probably not in a cash game. KK33 one suit isn't a hand I'm excited about, so I can understand his play.

If he shoved on the flop I would leave towards calling. But a play I use sometimes is acting one card later than i should, to decieve the opponent. If I can use this play then other people can, so I lean to a fold as played but I don't feel happy in doing so as one hand only beats you.

[GlasgowBandit]

I think I'd have done my bollocks there as well, the way it was played out to me didn't look like he had flopped top set, surely top set raises the flop?  I know I do, unless he is planning to jam a non spade turn but that can be a fairly risky strat.

[Sunday8pm]

wowowowowowow

never ever ever pass here ever.

I think i summed it up well...

[doubleup]

wowowowowowow

never ever ever pass here ever.

I think i summed it up well...

Hem - what do you put him on?

[GlasgowBandit]

wowowowowowow

never ever ever pass here ever.

I think i summed it up well...

Hem - what do you put him on?

NF draw, I think its impossible to put him on top set there.

[boldie]

wowowowowowow

never ever ever pass here ever.

I think i summed it up well...

Hem - what do you put him on?

NF draw, I think its impossible to put him on top set there.

Nut flush draw?. with what else? bottom set?..straight draw? he has a bare nut flush draw about 0% of the time here if he's a decent PLO player.

[doubleup]

wowowowowowow

never ever ever pass here ever.

I think i summed it up well...

Hem - what do you put him on?

NF draw, I think its impossible to put him on top set there.

why doesnt he raise the flop with this?  Waiting till the turn is completely mad.  Certainly madder than waiting for a blank turn with top set.

I don't think you guys realise how variance averse some plo players are.  My 50ps worth is that I'm on a run of 19 buyins less than expectation on allins at the moment, I really didn't think it was possible to run that bad.  So I can certainly understand the play, particularly when it gets rid of the flush draw and keeps in the one outer.


You do realise that if the other player has something like a gutshot and a flush draw he's got as much chance of winning as the top set?  So if he goes allin 3 way he loses half of homers money to that player.

[ACE2M]

hes played it bizzarely/badly given he had the chance to make the right play on the flop, but i've done the same, take a chance to win a big pot and its a good flop for it.

I fold the turn because he can't have any other hand on the turn if hes half decent.

edit, v v difficult fold though

[Royal Flush]

There are other hands he can have.

If we just look at the NFD hands he can have:

2 pair, ether flopped or turned.
set, more likely to be the turned set.
big combo draws A25 56 567

He could have set out with a bad flush draw and turned a wrap, he could be a complete donk making a complete donk move as well.

I would personally expect to see AK4 here with the nfd a lot of the time.

If i had the  in my hand then i can make an argument towards passing.