Hachem's fold yesterday at the WPT

[The Absentee]

Surprised I haven't seen more on this...

Hand description from Cardplayer:

In the end, Hachem made a lay down that one professional claimed is "the worst fold in the history of poker."

Jordan Morgan raises to 700 and is called by three players including Joe Hachem on the button.

The flop comes A-7-4 and everyone checks. The turn is a 6 and Morgan bets 2,000. Hachem quickly raises to 7,000. Morgan takes a few moments and reraises to 12,000. Hachem puts in yet another reraise to 22,000. Then Morgan moves all in for 49,000 total, another 27,000 more to Hachem.

Hachem has roughly 27,000 in his stack, and it is unclear who has who covered.
Hachem tanks for several long minutes, thinking things over. Eventually, Hachem asks, "You got 8-5 kid?"

After another minute passes or so, Hachem mucks 5-3 for the second nut straight. The table and the crowd that has formed are stunned, and Morgan tables pocket aces.

Aye caramba!!

[77dave]

This hand was the talk of Vegas yesterday.

He was getting critisied all over the place.

The hand did change everytime I heard it though.

I wonder if he is still on tilt from Monte Carlo

[LeKnave]

so retarded if true.

lol live players etc.

[scotty2hatty]

so retarded if true.

[Dewi_cool]

why would he show?

[The Absentee]

Bizarre indeed. There's a thread about it at 2+2 of course but not a lot of intelligent discussion.

I've racked my brain for over the past day trying to see any sense in it and failed - even if he's scared of Morgan filling a boat on the river the pot odds still make it an easy call.

He can't have seriously thought Morgan made the move with 8-5. He hit the exact hand he was hoping for when calling in position and it's equally unlikely Morgan has put him on the straight; more likely a flopped lower set than Morgan.

Funnily enough, Joe never folded the second nuts HU at the WSOP 2005 Main Event, when he called with -3s and the flop fell -5d-4d.

Lucky that time he didn't think Dannerman raised pre-flop with 8-7 - which would be far more likely in the circumstances than Morgan holding 8-5, no matter how LAG Morgan may be.

[DesD]

Great fold.....




.....eijet.

[mondatoo]

Bizarre indeed. There's a thread about it at 2+2 of course but not a lot of intelligent discussion.

I've racked my brain for over the past day trying to see any sense in it and failed - even if he's scared of Morgan filling a boat on the river the pot odds still make it an easy call.

He can't have seriously thought Morgan made the move with 8-5. He hit the exact hand he was hoping for when calling in position and it's equally unlikely Morgan has put him on the straight; more likely a flopped lower set than Morgan.

Funnily enough, Joe never folded the second nuts HU at the WSOP 2005 Main Event, when he called with -3s and the flop fell -5d-4d.

Lucky that time he didn't think Dannerman raised pre-flop with 8-7 - which would be far more likely in the circumstances than Morgan holding 8-5, no matter how LAG Morgan may be.

Just what i was thinking even the nitiest nit in the world would be instacalling here how can u possibly thinking 8 5 no matter what his image is.Not good joe will be a while before he lives it down. Makes it worse that he'd put half his stack in too it just doesn't make sense.

[action man]

if theres one instance you can lay it down it is here in this tournament. 85 is in his oppo's range btw.

[The Absentee]

Morgan does have a LAG reputation, but if u r going to put him on exactly 8-5os as his hand that he makes a raise OOP with then u can read minds and should win almost every tourney u play.
I know this tourney has decent structure/levels and big starting stacks but given what he committed to the pot he's going to have to get them in when likely in a race and maybe behind from here on in after this hand.
Btw, he finished the day $35,300 (starting stack $50k) and Morgan with $171,750 in 6th place overall after days 1a and 1b.
I think he was just looking for some heoric "for the ages" laydown story to give him some sort of legacy, that's why he showed, and ended up looking silly.
btw, good to see Kalmar in 18th spot with 140k...       

[action man]

im not saying i would fold at all. Just that it is stupid for people to say that 85 is not in the villains range. If he is confident in his post flop play then he can happily raise 85 with deep stacks.

[scotty2hatty]

im not saying i would fold at all. Just that it is stupid for people to say that 85 is not in the hero's range. If he is confident in his post flop play then he can happily raise 85 with deep stacks.

FYM

[mondatoo]

If he did have 8 5 wouldn't he bet the flop to represent the ace and then if called u no ur behind to ace and av outs  ?

[NoflopsHomer]

OR is incredibly dumb for not betting flop anyways imo.

[NoflopsHomer]

If he did have 8 5 wouldn't he bet the flop to represent the ace and then if called u no ur behind to ace and av outs  ?

Not vs 3 players imo.