2 omaha hands

[deputydawg]

comments appreciated on way played. especially second one as I was trying to represent nut flush but unfortunately got called by J flush

PokerStars Game #16898550397:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/04/21 - 18:24:25 (ET)
Table 'Elpis V' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Eel 3 ($95.50 in chips)
Seat 2: King Arthuro ($171.35 in chips)
Seat 3: -benWU- ($92.30 in chips)
Seat 4: downingtown8 ($70 in chips)
Seat 5: gil_27 ($62.60 in chips)
Seat 6: hero ($160.20 in chips)
downingtown8: posts small blind $0.50
gil_27: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [Ah As ]
hero: raises $2.50 to $3.50
Eel 3: folds
King Arthuro: raises $8.50 to $12
-benWU-: folds
downingtown8: folds
gil_27: folds
hero: raises $25.50 to $37.50
King Arthuro: calls $25.50
*** FLOP *** [ ]
hero: bets $73.50
King Arthuro: raises $60.35 to $133.85 and is all-in
hero: calls $49.20 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hero: shows [Ah As ] (a pair of Aces)
King Arthuro: shows [ ] (a straight, Six to Ten)
King Arthuro collected $318.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $321.90 | Rake $3
Board [ ]
Seat 1: Eel 3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: King Arthuro showed [ ] and won ($318.90) with a straight, Six to Ten
Seat 3: -benWU- (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: downingtown8 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: gil_27 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: hero showed [Ah As ] and lost with a pair of Aces


PokerStars Game #16899447105:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/04/21 - 19:06:19 (ET)
Table 'Ostenia II' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: shiloman ($77.15 in chips)
Seat 2: hero ($94.95 in chips)
Seat 3: REDDEVIL117 ($56.10 in chips)
Seat 4: Cheters23 ($130 in chips)
Seat 5: S.C.E.P.82 ($82.55 in chips)
Seat 6: HitteMask ($92.85 in chips)
hero: posts small blind $0.50
REDDEVIL117: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [ ]
Cheters23: folds
S.C.E.P.82: folds
HitteMask: raises $2.50 to $3.50
shiloman: folds
hero: calls $3
REDDEVIL117: calls $2.50
*** FLOP *** [ ]
hero: checks
REDDEVIL117: bets $1
HitteMask: calls $1
hero: calls $1
*** TURN *** [ ] []
hero: checks
REDDEVIL117: bets $5
HitteMask: calls $5
hero: raises $17 to $22
REDDEVIL117: calls $17
HitteMask: folds
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
HitteMask is sitting out
hero: bets $59.50
REDDEVIL117: calls $29.60 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hero: shows [ ] (a pair of Aces)
REDDEVIL117: shows [ ] (a flush, King high)
REDDEVIL117 collected $118.70 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $121.70 | Rake $3
Board [ ]
Seat 1: shiloman (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: hero (small blind) showed [ ] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: REDDEVIL117 (big blind) showed [ ] and won ($118.70) with a flush, King high
Seat 4: Cheters23 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: S.C.E.P.82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: HitteMask folded on the Turn

[Sunday8pm]

Both fine absolutly fine.

I like hand 2 a lot actually. Calling pre with AAxx is very underrated. i also like your line post-flop. Shame they didn't believe you but oh well...

[ACE2M]

both fine, maybe he was a non folder/idiot in the 2nd one in which case you shouldn't be bluffing him is the only possible problem apart from if you been exposed bluffing the bare ace recently.

[doubleup]

Ha welcome to my world. 

I really am not sure at all about the bare ace bluff any more, I'm pretty sure I've lost a lot more than I've won from it  I think that it has greater value at higher limits where the player pool is smaller and you don't want to have a nut peddling image, but I've found at lower limits once the players have put money in with a flush they just aren't going to fold, so the way to play is fairly obvious.

[ACE2M]

Ha welcome to my world. 

I really am not sure at all about the bare ace bluff any more, I'm pretty sure I've lost a lot more than I've won from it  I think that it has greater value at higher limits where the player pool is smaller and you don't want to have a nut peddling image, but I've found at lower limits once the players have put money in with a flush they just aren't going to fold, so the way to play is fairly obvious.

christ as if your bluffing options aren't limited enough in PLO, you can't even pull the easiest bluff anymore! There are players at every level who will fold and those that won't so your job is to figure out who will and who won't. I still find it very profitable.

[doubleup]

Ha welcome to my world. 

I really am not sure at all about the bare ace bluff any more, I'm pretty sure I've lost a lot more than I've won from it  I think that it has greater value at higher limits where the player pool is smaller and you don't want to have a nut peddling image, but I've found at lower limits once the players have put money in with a flush they just aren't going to fold, so the way to play is fairly obvious.

christ as if your bluffing options aren't limited enough in PLO, you can't even pull the easiest bluff anymore! There are players at every level who will fold and those that won't so your job is to figure out who will and who won't. I still find it very profitable.

I do agree but in the absence of info it is probably better to accept that someone who bets out or raises with the non nut flush is more easily parted from their chips by waiting for the time that you have the goods.

[ACE2M]

Ha welcome to my world. 

I really am not sure at all about the bare ace bluff any more, I'm pretty sure I've lost a lot more than I've won from it  I think that it has greater value at higher limits where the player pool is smaller and you don't want to have a nut peddling image, but I've found at lower limits once the players have put money in with a flush they just aren't going to fold, so the way to play is fairly obvious.

christ as if your bluffing options aren't limited enough in PLO, you can't even pull the easiest bluff anymore! There are players at every level who will fold and those that won't so your job is to figure out who will and who won't. I still find it very profitable.

I do agree but in the absence of info it is probably better to accept that someone who bets out or raises with the non nut flush is more easily parted from their chips by waiting for the time that you have the goods.

You must be betting out with made but non nut hands sometimes surely?

[doubleup]

Ha welcome to my world. 

I really am not sure at all about the bare ace bluff any more, I'm pretty sure I've lost a lot more than I've won from it  I think that it has greater value at higher limits where the player pool is smaller and you don't want to have a nut peddling image, but I've found at lower limits once the players have put money in with a flush they just aren't going to fold, so the way to play is fairly obvious.

christ as if your bluffing options aren't limited enough in PLO, you can't even pull the easiest bluff anymore! There are players at every level who will fold and those that won't so your job is to figure out who will and who won't. I still find it very profitable.

I do agree but in the absence of info it is probably better to accept that someone who bets out or raises with the non nut flush is more easily parted from their chips by waiting for the time that you have the goods.

You must be betting out with made but non nut hands sometimes surely?

Not the 4th nuts into 2 players.....

[ACE2M]

Ha welcome to my world. 

I really am not sure at all about the bare ace bluff any more, I'm pretty sure I've lost a lot more than I've won from it  I think that it has greater value at higher limits where the player pool is smaller and you don't want to have a nut peddling image, but I've found at lower limits once the players have put money in with a flush they just aren't going to fold, so the way to play is fairly obvious.

christ as if your bluffing options aren't limited enough in PLO, you can't even pull the easiest bluff anymore! There are players at every level who will fold and those that won't so your job is to figure out who will and who won't. I still find it very profitable.

I do agree but in the absence of info it is probably better to accept that someone who bets out or raises with the non nut flush is more easily parted from their chips by waiting for the time that you have the goods.

You must be betting out with made but non nut hands sometimes surely?

Not the 4th nuts into 2 players.....

fair point

[NoflopsHomer]

Don't do the bare ace bluff on any in 1/2 games or below unless you have good enough knowledge that they'll fold, because most people won't.

[chrisbruce]

For me the bare ace bluff only works v good players who know you play tight. Against unkown donks its just not worth it. Several times Ive bet the bare ace only to be reraised lololololol

[doubleup]

For me the bare ace bluff only works v good players who know you play tight. Against unkown donks its just not worth it. Several times Ive bet the bare ace only to be reraised lololololol

Exactly my experience (and also getting fcked in the first hand)