Ruling

[77dave]

I was playing in a live game last night when this happened.

Raise and a reraise preflop

2 players see a flop. 1st player doesnt say a word a pushes out 1 stack of $5 chips. dealer checks the stack and says $100 tp play.

the 2nd player reaches for 2 stacks of $5 chips intending to min raise to $200.

one of the stacks is dirty and has a $2 chip near the bottom.

The dealer now announces its a call. The 2nd player says no its a raise $200 to play.

The dealer informs him that as he didnt announce raise and that he hasnt put in at least double the original bet it goes as a call.

The floor is called and the floor man says exactly the same as the dealer its a call.

The line given is here at the *** **** this is the rule.

[Solver]

Sounds fair enough but analaly strict.  It should have been obvious by the chips pushed in that a raise was intended and they should have just clarified with the that player if intended to raise he needed more.

Stu

[robbiebox]

Yeh, poor decision by the dealer and floor man. Clear indication that a min raise was intended and "in the best interests of the game" the raise should have been accepted and a further $3 asked for.

[gatso]

ruling incorrect. he's pushed out $197, this goes as a min raise to $200 anywhere I've played as it's more than 50% on top.

$150-$199 put in the middle should go as a min raise

[Karabiner]

ruling incorrect. he's pushed out $197, this goes as a min raise to $200 anywhere I've played as it's more than 50% on top.

$150-$199 put in the middle should go as a min raise

That was exactly what I thought too.

[dik9]

ruling incorrect. he's pushed out $197, this goes as a min raise to $200 anywhere I've played as it's more than 50% on top.

$150-$199 put in the middle should go as a min raise

YUP!!

[Royal Flush]

Being this strict opens you up to a lot of angle shooting, he could slide over a dirty stack and before the dealer counts it down the other guy might pass!

[doubleup]

ruling incorrect. he's pushed out $197, this goes as a min raise to $200 anywhere I've played as it's more than 50% on top.

$150-$199 put in the middle should go as a min raise

50% is not really relevant.  If a player raises less than the minimum then he should make it up to the minimum.  That means if a player says raise and puts in 25% more than the bet he still has to raise the minimum.  However, this can't apply unless the player announces raise as a player could accidentally put in a bit more than is necessary for a call.

In this case the player didn't state raise and put in less than the min raise, so his intention has to be somehow interpreted by the dealer.  I think that it is a reasonable rule that if a player doesn't say anything and puts in 50% or more of the minimum raise, his intention will be interpreted as raising.  However, I doubt very much that this rule exists in the game in question, so rather than getting involved in interpreting players actions, they are taking a conservative line.

 

[gatso]

TDA rule

-If a player puts in a raise of 50 percent or more of the previous bet, he will be required to make a full raise. The raise will be exactly the minimum raise allowed.

[boldie]

TDA rule

-If a player puts in a raise of 50 percent or more of the previous bet, he will be required to make a full raise. The raise will be exactly the minimum raise allowed.

that's what I thought..clear raise here.

[Grier78]

If you want to avoid getting your actions misinterpreted then announce your actions before sticking your chips in, otherwise you are sticking your fate in other peoples hands.

[77dave]

First of all the ruling is correct because i saw it in there rules. The dealer and floor man made the correct ruling. I dont agree with the rule but this is the rule in this venue.

TDA means nothing as this is a cash game.

Flushys point is the key point that i made to the floorman that you can open this up to angle shooting.

I later saw someone bet $70 the other player in the pot thought it was only $60 so put in $120 as a min raise. This was ruled as a call and the hand was checked down the rest of the way as neither player knew where they were.

[doubleup]

TDA rule

-If a player puts in a raise of 50 percent or more of the previous bet, he will be required to make a full raise. The raise will be exactly the minimum raise allowed.

So I can say raise and raise 25% and this will be a call?  wow nice angleshoot!

[boldie]

TDA rule

-If a player puts in a raise of 50 percent or more of the previous bet, he will be required to make a full raise. The raise will be exactly the minimum raise allowed.

So I can say raise and raise 25% and this will be a call?  wow nice angleshoot!

no because as soon as you say Raise, you have to raise.

[doubleup]

TDA rule

-If a player puts in a raise of 50 percent or more of the previous bet, he will be required to make a full raise. The raise will be exactly the minimum raise allowed.

So I can say raise and raise 25% and this will be a call?  wow nice angleshoot!

no because as soon as you say Raise, you have to raise.

but there was no statement of intention in OP, so any relevant rule must only apply when the player is silent.