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Re: Large Hadron Collider @ CERN
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watched a great documentary on this once.
In theory it could be used to time travel by carry a wormhole. Only trouble is it would have to be built in space becasue it would have to be hewge!
In fact this machine does prove to a high degree of certainty that time travel is possible/attainable in the not so distant future.
I dont know if anybody has already said this as just saw the pic on the front page then went staright to post this.
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Re: Large Hadron Collider @ CERN
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Not so sure about the possibility of time-travel being attainable. It's not simply an issue of sending matter through a worm-hole, it's being able to reorganise the matter into what it was at the start that would be very problematic.
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Quote from: kinboshi on May 20, 2008, 09:21:01 AM
Not so sure about the possibility of time-travel being attainable. It's not simply an issue of sending matter through a worm-hole, it's being able to reorganise the matter into what it was at the start that would be very problematic.
Especially as you have to make sure the worm hole doesn't have a fly in it.
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Re: Large Hadron Collider @ CERN
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Quote from: kinboshi on May 20, 2008, 09:21:01 AM
Not so sure about the possibility of time-travel being attainable. It's not simply an issue of sending matter through a worm-hole, it's being able to reorganise the matter into what it was at the start that would be very problematic.
depends what direction we're talking about. time travel backwards is the problematic one and the one that is theoretically possible using the lhc.
time travel forwards is much easier and a large section of the scientific community already believe it's been achieved through experiments with short half life particles. It's also likely that astro/cosmonauts have experienced forward time travel to the smallest degree as they've accelerated away from the Earth although the effects are currently immeasurable.
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Re: Large Hadron Collider @ CERN
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Quote from: gatso on May 20, 2008, 11:12:08 AM
Quote from: kinboshi on May 20, 2008, 09:21:01 AM
Not so sure about the possibility of time-travel being attainable. It's not simply an issue of sending matter through a worm-hole, it's being able to reorganise the matter into what it was at the start that would be very problematic.
depends what direction we're talking about. time travel backwards is the problematic one and the one that is theoretically possible using the lhc.
time travel forwards is much easier and a large section of the scientific community already believe it's been achieved through experiments with short half life particles. It's also likely that astro/cosmonauts have experienced forward time travel to the smallest degree as they've accelerated away from the Earth although the effects are currently immeasurable.
I'm constantly moving forward in time at a rate of one second per second.
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Re: Large Hadron Collider @ CERN
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Quote from: gatso on May 20, 2008, 11:12:08 AM
Quote from: kinboshi on May 20, 2008, 09:21:01 AM
Not so sure about the possibility of time-travel being attainable. It's not simply an issue of sending matter through a worm-hole, it's being able to reorganise the matter into what it was at the start that would be very problematic.
depends what direction we're talking about. time travel backwards is the problematic one and the one that is theoretically possible using the lhc.
time travel forwards is much easier and a large section of the scientific community already believe it's been achieved through experiments with short half life particles. It's also likely that astro/cosmonauts have experienced forward time travel to the smallest degree as they've accelerated away from the Earth although the effects are currently immeasurable.
I'm constantly moving forward in time at a rate of one second per second.
I'm sitting on my arse at the same rate
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Re: Large Hadron Collider @ CERN
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Quote from: boldie on May 20, 2008, 01:17:33 PM
Quote from: AndrewT on May 20, 2008, 01:16:45 PM
Quote from: gatso on May 20, 2008, 11:12:08 AM
Quote from: kinboshi on May 20, 2008, 09:21:01 AM
Not so sure about the possibility of time-travel being attainable. It's not simply an issue of sending matter through a worm-hole, it's being able to reorganise the matter into what it was at the start that would be very problematic.
depends what direction we're talking about. time travel backwards is the problematic one and the one that is theoretically possible using the lhc.
time travel forwards is much easier and a large section of the scientific community already believe it's been achieved through experiments with short half life particles. It's also likely that astro/cosmonauts have experienced forward time travel to the smallest degree as they've accelerated away from the Earth although the effects are currently immeasurable.
I'm constantly moving forward in time at a rate of one second per second.
I'm sitting on my arse at the same rate
I'm talking out of mine at a similar rate.
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Re: Large Hadron Collider @ CERN
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Quote from: kinboshi on May 20, 2008, 01:33:50 PM
Quote from: boldie on May 20, 2008, 01:17:33 PM
Quote from: AndrewT on May 20, 2008, 01:16:45 PM
Quote from: gatso on May 20, 2008, 11:12:08 AM
Quote from: kinboshi on May 20, 2008, 09:21:01 AM
Not so sure about the possibility of time-travel being attainable. It's not simply an issue of sending matter through a worm-hole, it's being able to reorganise the matter into what it was at the start that would be very problematic.
depends what direction we're talking about. time travel backwards is the problematic one and the one that is theoretically possible using the lhc.
time travel forwards is much easier and a large section of the scientific community already believe it's been achieved through experiments with short half life particles. It's also likely that astro/cosmonauts have experienced forward time travel to the smallest degree as they've accelerated away from the Earth although the effects are currently immeasurable.
I'm constantly moving forward in time at a rate of one second per second.
I'm sitting on my arse at the same rate
I'm talking out of mine at a faster rate.
FYP
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Re: Large Hadron Collider @ CERN
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Quote from: kinboshi on May 20, 2008, 01:33:50 PM
Quote from: boldie on May 20, 2008, 01:17:33 PM
Quote from: AndrewT on May 20, 2008, 01:16:45 PM
Quote from: gatso on May 20, 2008, 11:12:08 AM
Quote from: kinboshi on May 20, 2008, 09:21:01 AM
Not so sure about the possibility of time-travel being attainable. It's not simply an issue of sending matter through a worm-hole, it's being able to reorganise the matter into what it was at the start that would be very problematic.
depends what direction we're talking about. time travel backwards is the problematic one and the one that is theoretically possible using the lhc.
time travel forwards is much easier and a large section of the scientific community already believe it's been achieved through experiments with short half life particles. It's also likely that astro/cosmonauts have experienced forward time travel to the smallest degree as they've accelerated away from the Earth although the effects are currently immeasurable.
I'm constantly moving forward in time at a rate of one second per second.
I'm sitting on my arse at the same rate
I'm talking out of mine at a similar rate.
*insert 'black hole' joke here*
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Re: Large Hadron Collider @ CERN
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May 20, 2008, 04:46:33 PM »
Quote from: Bongo on May 20, 2008, 04:43:18 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on May 20, 2008, 01:33:50 PM
Quote from: boldie on May 20, 2008, 01:17:33 PM
Quote from: AndrewT on May 20, 2008, 01:16:45 PM
Quote from: gatso on May 20, 2008, 11:12:08 AM
Quote from: kinboshi on May 20, 2008, 09:21:01 AM
Not so sure about the possibility of time-travel being attainable. It's not simply an issue of sending matter through a worm-hole, it's being able to reorganise the matter into what it was at the start that would be very problematic.
depends what direction we're talking about. time travel backwards is the problematic one and the one that is theoretically possible using the lhc.
time travel forwards is much easier and a large section of the scientific community already believe it's been achieved through experiments with short half life particles. It's also likely that astro/cosmonauts have experienced forward time travel to the smallest degree as they've accelerated away from the Earth although the effects are currently immeasurable.
I'm constantly moving forward in time at a rate of one second per second.
I'm sitting on my arse at the same rate
I'm talking out of mine at a faster rate.
FYP
lol..everybody was thinking it but probably thought it was too easy. Well done Bongo for having no shame!
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Re: Large Hadron Collider @ CERN
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On March 27, 2007, there was an incident during a pressure test involving one of the LHC's inner triplet magnet assemblies provided by Fermilab and KEK. No people were injured, but a cryogenic magnet support broke. Fermilab director Pier Oddone stated 'In this case we are dumbfounded that we missed some very simple balance of forces.' This fault had been present in the original design, and remained during four engineering reviews over the following years.[40] Analysis revealed that its design, made as thin as possible for better insulation, was not strong enough to withstand the forces generated during pressure testing.
As a lay person not understanding what exactly this whole thing will achieve I immediately focussed in on the potential dangers. This thing could possibly make a black hole which we could all disappear into or similar but they won't know until it happens but they think it probably wont???
Also (see above) when making it they 'missed some simple balance of forces' in other words it broke under the pressure.....someone tell me when this goes live please - I'll be jumping on the spot hoping when it all goes off I won't be connected to the earth....
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Re: Large Hadron Collider @ CERN
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Quote from: Dingdell on May 20, 2008, 05:09:26 PM
On March 27, 2007, there was an incident during a pressure test involving one of the LHC's inner triplet magnet assemblies provided by Fermilab and KEK. No people were injured, but a cryogenic magnet support broke. Fermilab director Pier Oddone stated 'In this case we are dumbfounded that we missed some very simple balance of forces.' This fault had been present in the original design, and remained during four engineering reviews over the following years.[40] Analysis revealed that its design, made as thin as possible for better insulation, was not strong enough to withstand the forces generated during pressure testing.
As a lay person not understanding what exactly this whole thing will achieve I immediately focussed in on the potential dangers. This thing could possibly make a black hole which we could all disappear into or similar but they won't know until it happens but they think it probably wont???
Also (see above) when making it they 'missed some simple balance of forces' in other words it broke under the pressure.....someone tell me when this goes live please - I'll be jumping on the spot hoping when it all goes off I won't be connected to the earth....
Too much spiderman.
At least if it creates a black hole, we won't know much about it.
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Re: Large Hadron Collider @ CERN
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Quote from: Dingdell on May 20, 2008, 05:09:26 PM
On March 27, 2007, there was an incident during a pressure test involving one of the LHC's inner triplet magnet assemblies provided by Fermilab and KEK. No people were injured, but a cryogenic magnet support broke. Fermilab director Pier Oddone stated 'In this case we are dumbfounded that we missed some very simple balance of forces.' This fault had been present in the original design, and remained during four engineering reviews over the following years.[40] Analysis revealed that its design, made as thin as possible for better insulation, was not strong enough to withstand the forces generated during pressure testing.
As a lay person not understanding what exactly this whole thing will achieve I immediately focussed in on the potential dangers. This thing could possibly make a black hole which we could all disappear into or similar but they won't know until it happens but they think it probably wont???
Also (see above) when making it they 'missed some simple balance of forces' in other words it broke under the pressure.....someone tell me when this goes live please - I'll be jumping on the spot hoping when it all goes off I won't be connected to the earth....
Next month. I read a couple of weeks ago a paper by one group of scientists, i didn't understand much of it but they disagreed with the linear expectation of the mini blackholes and gave the planet a life expectancy of 50 months when the thing goes live.
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Re: Large Hadron Collider @ CERN
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May 20, 2008, 05:30:52 PM »
Quote from: RichEO on May 20, 2008, 05:26:14 PM
Quote from: Dingdell on May 20, 2008, 05:09:26 PM
On March 27, 2007, there was an incident during a pressure test involving one of the LHC's inner triplet magnet assemblies provided by Fermilab and KEK. No people were injured, but a cryogenic magnet support broke. Fermilab director Pier Oddone stated 'In this case we are dumbfounded that we missed some very simple balance of forces.' This fault had been present in the original design, and remained during four engineering reviews over the following years.[40] Analysis revealed that its design, made as thin as possible for better insulation, was not strong enough to withstand the forces generated during pressure testing.
As a lay person not understanding what exactly this whole thing will achieve I immediately focussed in on the potential dangers. This thing could possibly make a black hole which we could all disappear into or similar but they won't know until it happens but they think it probably wont???
Also (see above) when making it they 'missed some simple balance of forces' in other words it broke under the pressure.....someone tell me when this goes live please - I'll be jumping on the spot hoping when it all goes off I won't be connected to the earth....
Too much spiderman.
At least if it creates a black hole, we won't know much about it.
That's ok then - shall we all just jump off a cliff then so save time later?? I no like this....
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