Is this just a bad beat or could I avoid it?

[david3103]

Game #7236959644: Hold'em NL ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/05/27 - 14:59:30 (UK)
Table "Saxophonist" Seat 5 is the button.
Seat 1: Cats72 ($16.40 in chips)
Seat 2: KKnowME ($52.05 in chips)
Seat 3: Bess123 ($32.10 in chips)
Seat 4: david3103 ($5.50 in chips)
Seat 5: lodahl87 ($56.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Scrooge ($49.50 in chips)
Scrooge: posts small blind $0.25
Cats72: posts big blind $0.50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to david3103 [][ ]
KKnowME: folds
Bess123: calls $0.50
david3103: calls $0.50
lodahl87: folds
Scrooge: folds
Cats72: raises to $2
Bess123: calls $1.50
david3103: calls $1.50
----- FLOP ----- [As][] []
Cats72: checks
Bess123: bets $1
david3103: raises to $3.50 and is all-in
Cats72: folds
Bess123: calls $2.50
----- TURN ----- [As][] []  []
----- RIVER ----- [As][] [] []   []
----- SHOW DOWN -----
david3103: shows [] [] (A Pair of Aces, Jack high)
Bess123: shows [] [] (A Straight, Ten high)
Bess123 collected $12.60 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $13.25 Main pot $12.60 Rake $0.65
Board [As ]
Seat 1: Cats72 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: KKnowME folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Bess123 showed [ ] and won ($12.60) with A Straight, Ten high
Seat 4: david3103 showed [ ] and lost with A Pair of Aces, Jack high
Seat 5: lodahl87 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Scrooge (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[ChipRich]

Your stack was quite big though.

Get it in pre obv.

[AndrewT]

You had 11 big blinds in a cash game, stuck four of them in preflop and hit top pair on a rainbow flop with only 2 semi-connecting cards.

If you can find a reason for folding here then I doubt you would be able to get out of bed in the morning for fear that aliens had replaced your carpet with razor blades during the night.

[boldie]

You had 11 big blinds in a cash game, stuck four of them in preflop and hit top pair on a rainbow flop with only 2 semi-connecting cards.

If you can find a reason for folding here then I doubt you would be able to get out of bed in the morning for fear that aliens had replaced your carpet with razor blades during the night.

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As soon as Cats raises you have to stick all your money in pre-flop here David. You could also stick all your money in pre-flop yourself first...but it has to be in pre-flop.

Why did you only have 11 big blinds?

[Pyso]

Agreed, without topping up you are wasting your time. Slap it down on the table and play poker.

[david3103]

ahh I see that sarcasm is alive and well and living in the Blonde Poker Forum

I was low on chips because I hadn't got round to reloading before the hand' Which I needed to do because I'm obviously a fish who thinks that the best time to commit his chips is when he's in front.

[Pyso]

No worries, it just shows the importance of being stocked up. It's happened to us all. We take a big hit and then before we've had time to top up we get dealt aces.

Very annoying

[boldie]

ahh I see that sarcasm is alive and well and living in the Blonde Poker Forum

I was low on chips because I hadn't got round to reloading before the hand' Which I needed to do because I'm obviously a fish who thinks that the best time to commit his chips is when he's in front.

It is the highest form of wit, I'll have you know



I only asked why you were low as there are too many people who actually play like this and it would be a problem. Still, get the chips in pre-flop..flat calling here is bad.

[AndrewT]

ahh I see that sarcasm is alive and well and living in the Blonde Poker Forum

The reason for my sarcastic reply is that I really don't think you've given this any thought yourself before posting it up on here. There's no background info, no introduction from you giving us your thoughts so far - just a title and a hand history.

Even a cursory consideration on your part should lead you to realise you're not getting away from this at any point. Even if it didn't, an explanation of what conclusions you'd already come to would have resulted in non-sarcastic replies showing where you'd gone wrong.

PHA - where people get out what they put in.

[david3103]

ahh I see that sarcasm is alive and well and living in the Blonde Poker Forum

The reason for my sarcastic reply is that I really don't think you've given this any thought yourself before posting it up on here. There's no background info, no introduction from you giving us your thoughts so far - just a title and a hand history.

Even a cursory consideration on your part should lead you to realise you're not getting away from this at any point. Even if it didn't, an explanation of what conclusions you'd already come to would have resulted in non-sarcastic replies showing where you'd gone wrong.

PHA - where people get out what they put in.

Fair comment. Thank you
I am generally quite a passive player and whilst that means that I don't win mega pots at cash tables I have a +ve record in live poker at DTD cash. My internet record isn't so good and I'm trying to work out why.

What was I thinking here? I was thinking.. this table will raise and play with most things but my inclination is not to shove with AJ off - let's call and see what happens
Bess's bet of $1 looked very like middle pair at best so I raised - had I had more chips I'd probably have bet much the same amount and then bet again on the turn
(if I'd had more chips maybe Bess folds here? my minimal stack gave a iimit to what could be lost?)

I guess I posted to get a feel for whether I should have expected to be called. I'd fold all day in Bess's seat, but would you?

[boldie]

ahh I see that sarcasm is alive and well and living in the Blonde Poker Forum

The reason for my sarcastic reply is that I really don't think you've given this any thought yourself before posting it up on here. There's no background info, no introduction from you giving us your thoughts so far - just a title and a hand history.

Even a cursory consideration on your part should lead you to realise you're not getting away from this at any point. Even if it didn't, an explanation of what conclusions you'd already come to would have resulted in non-sarcastic replies showing where you'd gone wrong.

PHA - where people get out what they put in.

Fair comment. Thank you
I am generally quite a passive player and whilst that means that I don't win mega pots at cash tables I have a +ve record in live poker at DTD cash. My internet record isn't so good and I'm trying to work out why.

What was I thinking here? I was thinking.. this table will raise and play with most things but my inclination is not to shove with AJ off - let's call and see what happens
Bess's bet of $1 looked very like middle pair at best so I raised - had I had more chips I'd probably have bet much the same amount and then bet again on the turn
(if I'd had more chips maybe Bess folds here? my minimal stack gave a iimit to what could be lost?)

I guess I posted to get a feel for whether I should have expected to be called. I'd fold all day in Bess's seat, but would you?

If you have more chips Bess would have to call here as the implied odds go up. He can take a bigger stack off you if you have more chips

[david3103]

So what does Bess think I've got?

At the very least I have an overpair so they are looking to either make trips or two pair
as it stands, if they put me on the Ace then it's about 3:1??

and they call $2.50 into a $10.75 pot and..........

ahhhhhhhhh


but what if I've hit a set of ? or even worse for them, ?

[Colchester Kev]

So what does Bess think I've got?

At the very least I have an overpair so they are looking to either make trips or two pair
as it stands, if they put me on the Ace then it's about 3:1??

and they call $2.50 into a $10.75 pot and..........

ahhhhhhhhh


but what if I've hit a set of ? or even worse for them, ?

Bess thinks you have £2.50 in front of you ... you cards are probably not even in his thoughts.

[Longy]

Though you are not delibratley shortstacking, with 11bbs push or fold preflop.

In this case aj is deffo a +ev push so just shove it pre, my range for shoving here is something like 44+, a9+, a7s+, kj+.

Oh and the standard in live cash at DTD is noticably worse than you avg .1/.2 game online, which is probably why you are making money live and not online. Also sample sizes are prob distorting things a bit.

[Royal Flush]

Fair comment. Thank you
I am generally quite a passive player and whilst that means that I don't win mega pots at cash tables I have a +ve record in live poker at DTD cash. My internet record isn't so good and I'm trying to work out why.

Online the players are probably better than you, in DTD they are not.


You missclicked twice here pre, 6max cash AJ and 11bb when someone has already limped is a really easy jam. Then ok you decide to go for the limp re-raise, but forget the raise part.