speech play ? CHEATING / STROKING / JUST SHOULD NOT BE DONE?

[Grier78]

I reckon its not cheating unless you declare your hand and as long as you are actually in the hand. If it works do it, if not then don't.

[Newmanseye]

I,ve seen u play billy,ur quite a verbal player.this was a while ago,of course.i thought at the time,u were trying 2 manipulate the players 2 ur want.but it was 2 ur detriment on a few occasions.do u think speechplay is an integral part of ur game?do u think you can get the same results by keeping quiet.its not a criticism.its great to watch a good player use speech to induce a call bluff.i personally keep quiet during a hand.ive found that talking makes me  more of a target which doesnt really suit my game.

I try to use verbal on the players i believe it will work with & you are right it paint's a huge target on me which is what i want, as at this point in the tourney i am usually playing way tight and only betting with the goods.

It has cost me chips in the past because i have selected the wrong people to give the verbal to.

Now the chap I selected knows i have been playing TAG ( mostly honest guv ) & i think he takes me for a big ace or a premium pair, purely from what has gone before in the tourney and from what i have been willingly showing.

I suppose i was mostly annoyed that some people thought i was cheating especially the chap on the end of the verbal, I do think i am a fairly nice fella on the tables, trying to get the banter going & gracious in winning / defeat.


I really should not take it so personally i suppose.

and yes It was hugely obviousis but again that was part of the strategy having people think " it cant be that obvious ...can it? "

showing a few of those gets me away witha few too.

but its all down to how we play the game.

[Royal Flush]

Not cheating.

But as has been said already, an average player would see right through it.

Got to admit I have not seen any display of speech play which could be described as effective.  For the most part these displays are simply cringe inducing.

I give you...Paul Parker..the man talks to you in a friendly way and you don't even realise he's taking your chips.

Or he just hits an off suit jack to make the nuts and take down the 2k pots.

50p in the post.

[MANTIS01]

Nothing wrong with speech play if it has some kind of purpose. Saying stuff like "so sick if you have a Jack" before re-raising another 5k has what kind of purpose?

[boldie]

Not cheating.

But as has been said already, an average player would see right through it.

Got to admit I have not seen any display of speech play which could be described as effective.  For the most part these displays are simply cringe inducing.

I give you...Paul Parker..the man talks to you in a friendly way and you don't even realise he's taking your chips.

Or he just hits an off suit jack to make the nuts and take down the 2k pots.

50p in the post.

Well yeah he;'s a lucky sod as well.