Ugh, very well played sir. Throws up.

[doubleup]

Posted by: doubleup

lol - when I'm faced with the choice of doing thing a) which carries almost no risk and thing b) which relies exactly on my opponent choosing to do what you believe everyone is always doing, I'll stick with a).

 

I wouldn't say folding 9-9 carries no risk. You risk looking back in hindsight thinking you should have called for one.

Thing a was pushing and thing b was raising and calling a push.  Pushing is def better in this particular chip situation.  Raising and calling a push is normally best.

[AlexMartin]

I would call, 39k more to win 94k to virtually win the tourney...   When 60-70% of the time we'll be flipping, 25% of the time he'll have an underpair, 5% he'll have an over...

hmmmm, not sure how you managed to quantify this, but id like to see the breakdown.

[boldie]

I would call, 39k more to win 94k to virtually win the tourney...   When 60-70% of the time we'll be flipping, 25% of the time he'll have an underpair, 5% he'll have an over...

hmmmm, not sure how you managed to quantify this, but id like to see the breakdown.

wet finger, raise finger to the wind...pluck figures out of the air.

[TheChipPrince]

I would call, 39k more to win 94k to virtually win the tourney...   When 60-70% of the time we'll be flipping, 25% of the time he'll have an underpair, 5% he'll have an over...

hmmmm, not sure how you managed to quantify this, but id like to see the breakdown.

No calculations to it, but those are the figures that i'd be thinkin if i have 25 seconds to process it and click the mouse...

As opposed to hindsight, pokerstove, less emotional involvement etc etc...

[action man]

I would call, 39k more to win 94k to virtually win the tourney...   When 60-70% of the time we'll be flipping, 25% of the time he'll have an underpair, 5% he'll have an over...

hmmmm, not sure how you managed to quantify this, but id like to see the breakdown.

No calculations to it, but those are the figures that i'd be thinkin if i have 25 seconds to process it and click the mouse...

As opposed to hindsight, pokerstove, less emotional involvement etc etc...

QFT

[maldini32]

I would call, 39k more to win 94k to virtually win the tourney...   When 60-70% of the time we'll be flipping, 25% of the time he'll have an underpair, 5% he'll have an over...

hmmmm, not sure how you managed to quantify this, but id like to see the breakdown.

No calculations to it, but those are the figures that i'd be thinkin if i have 25 seconds to process it and click the mouse...

As opposed to hindsight, pokerstove, less emotional involvement etc etc...

QFT

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: TheChipPrince

No calculations to it, but those are the figures that i'd be thinkin if i have 25 seconds to process it and click the mouse...

As opposed to hindsight, pokerstove, less emotional involvement etc etc...

Yes very good.

Anyway whatever pokerstove would regard as correct I would say we all agree this is a tight decision. Personally when it's close like this my preference is to make the call. I think coming forward is the way to play 3-handed poker and especially in this shorty situation. I raised here, and I don't care how much money is involved, i'm not giving the pot up holding the 6th nuts. I might if the guy is a rock, but not some general scally. No way. Personally I tilt very hard about giving-up a winning hand when the call is close and 3 handed those chances are not common. Being more cautious and folding suggests that opportunity is just around the corner. And it might be. But having been bullied off this pot with the 6th best starting hand, 3,000 in blinds every 3 hands, few starting hands to play and a push-happy short-stack I don't know when a situation is going to crop up that's much better than this one. And it's debatable whether your chances of winning will have increased by then. In 10 minutes you will be very glad to call a push with 9-9 but you will be calling to survive rather than to win.

Anyway it's more of a control thing because i'm not playing poker to fold hands worried about going out when i think i'm ahead. And I don't think that's a bad attitude to have in this particular situation.

[LuckyLloyd]

lol at this thread. Raise to 5k, fold to the shove.

[TheChipPrince]

lol at this thread. Raise to 5k, fold to the shove.

Can we have more please Lloyd?

[doubleup]

lol at this thread. Raise to 5k, fold to the shove.

open shoving is better

[AlexMartin]

lol at this thread. Raise to 5k, fold to the shove.

open shoving is better

we want to dance with shorty, and shoving stops him dancing his mediorce hands.

[LeKnave]

lol at this thread. Raise to 5k, fold to the shove.

open shoving is better

we want to dance with shorty, and shoving stops him dancing his mediorce hands.

this is why opening for 5K is better too.

[doubleup]

lol at this thread. Raise to 5k, fold to the shove.

open shoving is better

we want to dance with shorty, and shoving stops him dancing his mediorce hands.

Did think about that, but shorty knows he has no fold eq, so will prob call with any hands that he pushes.

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: AlexMartin

ideally we want to dance with shorty, and shoving stops him dancing his mediorce hands.

FYP.

Yes. This is the basic theory because we want to force our oppo to make a mistake and pushing may prevent that from happening. doubleup makes a fair point that the shorty may well call anyway but what about the other guy, the guy we're actually playing. It's maybe a little inconsistent to say making a normal raise gets guy A to blunder but not guy B. So we raise to 5k because we want shorty to dance with mediocre hands, but it will also encourage the CL to dance with mediocre hands as well. If we want to win the tournament why would we allow our oppo's mistakes to go unpunished?

[ifm]

I'm with Mantis (apart from calling allin to control the situation!).