Ugh, very well played sir. Throws up.

[doubleup]

dunno if i still call if i know he has AK, in a bigger tourney with bigger $ gaps then i fold, but my main point is hero knows that the villain is shoving a whole load here, so should raise to call or open fold

He can just push (and virtually always take the blinds) which might be the best in this specific situation where he isn't interested in getting into a pot with a slightly worse hand.

[action man]

dunno if i still call if i know he has AK, in a bigger tourney with bigger $ gaps then i fold, but my main point is hero knows that the villain is shoving a whole load here, so should raise to call or open fold

He can just push (and virtually always take the blinds) which might be the best in this specific situation where he isn't interested in getting into a pot with a slightly worse hand.

no way, were getting all hands were dominating to fold with the same reasoning behind the shove. id sooner open fold than open shove.

[mondatoo]

Lol, Alex is clearly the villain this hand.

Definitly. Alex clearly pushed with his o/p and got called by the which made trips and busto'd him.UL Alex

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: doubleup

Mantis - if you want to improve your poker, I suggest you think about money a bit more.

doubleup - if you want to improve your poker, I suggest you think about money a bit less.

When your oppo pushes here it is going to be because of the situation a whole lot of the time. You may use the circumstances to justify a fold is the right play but I see them as a good enough reason to call. Villain is going to be using the shorty to pile on the pressure every chance he gets. 3-handed if he can get you to fold a very big hand like this god only knows when you will stand up and play a pot. Your oppo is looking to win it before it gets to HU and you are just going to let him. If he is going to get you to fold because you're thinking about the money then he is playing very good poker against you.

[doubleup]

dunno if i still call if i know he has AK, in a bigger tourney with bigger $ gaps then i fold, but my main point is hero knows that the villain is shoving a whole load here, so should raise to call or open fold

He can just push (and virtually always take the blinds) which might be the best in this specific situation where he isn't interested in getting into a pot with a slightly worse hand.

no way, were getting all hands were dominating to fold with the same reasoning behind the shove. id sooner open fold than open shove.

Just because of this specific chipev/$ev situation I don't think you should be applying standard play logic here - raising and calling is pretty much relying on him restealing with rags and bad aces.  There are plenty of cards that he would legitimately reraise here with that we would have to fold to (in this specific situation) if he turned them face up.  

[doubleup]

Posted by: doubleup

Mantis - if you want to improve your poker, I suggest you think about money a bit more.

doubleup - if you want to improve your poker, I suggest you think about money a bit less.

When your oppo pushes here it is going to be because of the situation a whole lot of the time. You may use the circumstances to justify a fold is the right play but I see them as a good enough reason to call. Villain is going to be using the shorty to pile on the pressure every chance he gets. 3-handed if he can get you to fold a very big hand like this god only knows when you will stand up and play a pot. Your oppo is looking to win it before it gets to HU and you are just going to let him. If he is going to get you to fold because you're thinking about the money then he is playing very good poker against you.

Mantis provide me with ICM equity when you fold and when you call and win.  Provide me with villains range that makes a call profitable.  Then you will be thinking about money and your poker will improve.

[The_nun]

When you guys are analysing these pots to such extent, what is the clock doing?

[Rookie (Rodney)]

When you guys are analysing these pots to such extent, what is the clock doing?

Yeah you're right, lets just not bother with a PHA board eh.

[The_nun]

I really do feel sorry for you Rooks. It seems you have a great problem with me and not quite sure why. TBH I arnt really bothered either. Have a nice day.

xx

[mondatoo]

When you guys are analysing these pots to such extent, what is the clock doing?

This is a fair point imo, this is another dislike i have with ipoker with no extra time available (i'm not sure how much time it's) but it certainly isn't enough for you to have all thoughts needed to sometimes assess what's the correct play to make.

PS I wouldn't make the correct 1 anyway so it's not a problem for me.

[GlasgowBandit]

Anyone limping pre rather than standard open raise?

limping with a view to re-shoving the flop if someone raises? just limping is awful here.

I don't think just limping here is bad, it disguises the strength of our hand and it gives us options to re-access were we are in the hand, I don't think the big stack shoves to win the 2k we put in i think he probably raises and then I am looking to shove.  99 is not the worse hand to play a 3 handed flop with.   

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: doubleup

Mantis provide me with ICM equity when you fold and when you call and win.  Provide me with villains range that makes a call profitable.  Then you will be thinking about money and your poker will improve.

doubleup you are 3-handed and in an exploitable situation. If your calculation-heavy mindset is urging you to fold you will be completely exploitable in this format. Jibba jabba about equity is only a smokescreen to hide behind while this guy picks you up and puts you in his pocket for the rest of the game.

You are only behind to 5 hands and Villain isn't pushing like this with A-A or K-K. Worst case scenario is 50% ftw and with the money already in the pot there is no reason to contemplate folding. Unless you believe your cautious, fold-happy approach to 3-handed no-limit poker is going to give you a future edge that is so much better than this one.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

I really do feel sorry for you Rooks. It seems you have a great problem with me and not quite sure why. TBH I arnt really bothered either. Have a nice day.

xx

LOL, I remember when you felt the need to try and ridicule me in the chatbox on Crypto before, for something which i am still completely oblivious to! And lets face it, even you expressed concern/disgust when someone detailed your behaviour on a previous thread when names were witheld to protect YOUR image!

As for my point above, well that was just a point which is true.. We all make decision's at the computer - within 30 seconds on most sites, and then we post them on here if we feel we went wrong/right. You might aswell post on every thread in this board where someone comes up with maths based answers, putting in ranges etc into calculators and finding out whether it really was +/- ev.

[The_nun]

I have no Image to live up to. I am me, always have been always will be. Best way IMHO.

[Rookie (Rodney)]