Tournament Hand

[MANTIS01]

Played this hand over the weekend.

The tournament is a $30 rebuy with 345 runners. 40 get paid and there are 42 left. Blinds are 400-800.

I have 20k in chips. I find 5-5 in mid-position and raise to 2,200. Unknown Villain has 17k and calls on the button. The blinds fold and we go to the flop hu with 5.5k in the pot.

Flop comes
    

I bet 2.6k and Villain calls.

Turn comes
 

There's 10k in the pot, you have 15k left, Villain has 12k and you are two from the money. What do you do and why?

[bolt pp]

what would you do if the turn was  ?

[GlasgowBandit]

Check shove for me.  Give him a chance to bluff  the rest of his stack off.

[Royal Flush]

Check shove for me.  Give him a chance to bluff  the rest of his stack off.

Agreed, EEK!!!

He is surely going to bet after our weak raise pre and weak lead.

Did you weak lead the flop so you could 3 bet shove?

[action man]

auto check.

[boldie]

Check shove for me.  Give him a chance to bluff  the rest of his stack off.

God help me I agree with Bandit.

[Paullie_D]

I'm pretty wedded to the hand but do I really want to give him the right price to flush draw just in case he's luckboxed one?

I also hate giving free cards...bet 6k. If he shoves, call.

[AlexMartin]

I'm pretty wedded to the hand but do I really want to give him the right price to flush draw just in case he's luckboxed one?

I also hate giving free cards...bet 6k. If he shoves, call.

ugh, dont be so scared of tiny parts of your opponenets ranges mate. He mostly shoves flush draws on the flop. Maybe if we are 60+bb deep we can think about protection sometimes.

imo c/c turn but deffo jam river as villain checks behind a tonne.

[doubleup]

def chk for me and if chkd behind I dont push the river - I bet about 9k as villain is more likely to make a hero call if he can still have a chance to cash.

[LeKnave]

imo c/c turn but deffo jam river as villain checks behind a tonne.

this.

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: Royal Flush

He is surely going to bet after our weak raise pre and weak lead.

Interested in this. Why will Villain surely bet out? He calls pre-flop and calls on the flop, so what makes us say he will deffo bet out if we check? Is it possible that he's just weak and scared of the bubble and wont bet unless he makes his hand? I mean if he wanted to play say a spade draw aggressively wouldn't he have done so on the flop if he had aggressive intentions. Also does a weak lead from us constitute a weak hand?

General question. If we check and Villain checks behind what do we do if a spade comes on the river.

[Royal Flush]

Posted by: Royal Flush

He is surely going to bet after our weak raise pre and weak lead.

Interested in this. Why will Villain surely bet out? He calls pre-flop and calls on the flop, so what makes us say he will deffo bet out if we check? Is it possible that he's just weak and scared of the bubble and wont bet unless he makes his hand? I mean if he wanted to play say a spade draw aggressively wouldn't he have done so on the flop if he had aggressive intentions. Also does a weak lead from us constitute a weak hand?

General question. If we check and Villain checks behind what do we do if a spade comes on the river.

If it goes c/c then spade i probs bet 1/2 pot

The villain either has a hand a draw or is floating, when we weak lead then check he is going to bet a hand or if he was floating, he will bet a draw some of the time thinking we have 2 overs. I don't think he has a draw here very often though when he has just called the weak lead on the flop.

[SnipeR]

Check/check reraise jam, or check turn and jam river regardless....

[MANTIS01]

I checked the turn ready to call the all-in and villain checked behind. River is a blank, I bet he folds.

So the hand in itself wasn't all that eventful but I was wondering whether checking the turn was a mistake. I figured that if he was going to press his hand he would have done so on the flop....so what made me think he would bet if I checked? There wasn't any evidence to suggest he would. He got an easy ride to a free card I thought.

Are we checking the turn because we really think this is the best chip-getting play or are we checking because we've just hit three 5's? On the bubble a straightforward bet seems better? I like the check almost all the time but don't know whether it works here.

[AlexMartin]

I checked the turn ready to call the all-in and villain checked behind. River is a blank, I bet he folds.

So the hand in itself wasn't all that eventful but I was wondering whether checking the turn was a mistake. I figured that if he was going to press his hand he would have done so on the flop....so what made me think he would bet if I checked? There wasn't any evidence to suggest he would. He got an easy ride to a free card I thought.

Are we checking the turn because we really think this is the best chip-getting play or are we checking because we've just hit three 5's? On the bubble a straightforward bet seems better? I like the check almost all the time but don't know whether it works here.

Almost entirely dependant on villain. Any half decent MTT player in villains position is betting 80-100% of their range on the turn, on flop they were either floating or they had the best hand right..... so they should bet the turn (bubble vicinity increases likelihood). We check because we get more value from his floats and bluffs, wheras bets only get value from made hands.

If villain is a  weak passive donk (think old school live pro) then we should probs just go with b/b/b and jump on the express train to valuetown most of his marginal hands, whch he can justify if you bet accordingly.