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« on: July 09, 2008, 06:02:08 PM »
An interesting hand has got me thinking.

All-in HU in a turbo SnG.

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On the flop, I have 4x9's, 3x10's, 3xJ's, 3xK's, 4xA's to move ahead, so 17 outs c.68% against oppo yet still behind.

Unless I had 4 to the flush (a possible 8ish further outs) is it possible to be further ahead in a hand yet still officially behind?

Not really a PHA I grant you, but an interesting little question that popped into my mind as the flop hit.

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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2008, 06:06:27 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2008, 06:32:03 PM »
Quote from: Tuffster on July 09, 2008, 06:02:08 PM

Unless I had 4 to the flush (a possible 8ish further outs)
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2008, 06:32:32 PM »
How about 72 on a 3344 board vs 56 its ahead but can't win
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2008, 06:38:34 PM »
Quote from: Royal Flush on July 09, 2008, 06:32:32 PM
How about 72 on a 3344 board vs 56 its ahead but can't win

Can I be picky and say it still could if suited and 4 flushing!!
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2008, 06:40:51 PM »
Quote from: Flea on July 09, 2008, 06:38:34 PM
Quote from: Royal Flush on July 09, 2008, 06:32:32 PM
How about 72 on a 3344 board vs 56 its ahead but can't win

Can I be picky and say it still could if suited and 4 flushing!!

flushy got

you're crap flushy
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2008, 08:07:41 PM »

Quote from: bolt pp on July 09, 2008, 06:40:51 PM
Quote from: Flea on July 09, 2008, 06:38:34 PM
Quote from: Royal Flush on July 09, 2008, 06:32:32 PM
How about 72 on a 3344 board vs 56 its ahead but can't win

Can I be picky and say it still could if suited and 4 flushing!!

flushy got

you're crap flushy

shhhhhhhh its all gone quiet over there

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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2008, 08:12:49 PM »
Quote from: bolt pp on July 09, 2008, 06:32:03 PM
Quote from: Tuffster on July 09, 2008, 06:02:08 PM

Unless I had 4 to the flush (a possible 8ish further outs)

this post was in response to longines post that gave an example that was pretty much the same as OP but included the FD which he's subsequently removed without telling anyone
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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2008, 11:55:19 AM »
yes obv 

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player 2 -  Two Clubs Two Diamonds - 25%
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2008, 11:56:21 AM »
24 outs on flop, 27 on turn in most cases
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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2008, 12:02:34 PM »
sigh, Ben, not only should you read the question, you should also read the response to the last person who didn't read the question
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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2008, 12:03:41 PM »
Quote from: gatso on July 10, 2008, 12:02:34 PM
sigh, Ben, not only should you read the question, you should also read the response to the last person who didn't read the question

not been a good week mate, lol Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2008, 12:05:35 PM »
Probably something to do with our new nutcase manager deciding to start pre season training a week earlier than all the pro clubs. Threw up Tuesday violently during training and still feel like jelly...Not looking forward to tonight lets put it that way.
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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2008, 12:08:59 PM »
Quote from: Tuffster on July 09, 2008, 06:02:08 PM
An interesting hand has got me thinking.

All-in HU in a turbo SnG.

Me: 
Oppo: 

Flop: 

On the flop, I have 4x9's, 3x10's, 3xJ's, 3xK's, 4xA's to move ahead, so 17 outs c.68% against oppo yet still behind.

Unless I had 4 to the flush (a possible 8ish further outs) is it possible to be further ahead in a hand yet still officially behind?

Not really a PHA I grant you, but an interesting little question that popped into my mind as the flop hit.

Cheers.

Youve taken into account you hitting one of your outs on the turn, but not him pairing to make his FH, really your only 57% Fave
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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2008, 12:42:56 PM »
Quote from: TheChipPrince on July 10, 2008, 12:08:59 PM

Youve taken into account you hitting one of your outs on the turn, but not him pairing to make his FH, really your only 57% Fave

Good point, neglected the re-draw to the boat.
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