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« on: July 14, 2008, 11:29:47 PM »

$2/$4 6 max

I make it $16 to go in 2nd position at the table  . Standard-ish raise. I'm playing $500

New player,North American location,first orbit at table,playing $400 flats on the button. No stats

we're heads up to the flop , $38 in there

flop     

I lead for $32

flat called, $102 in pot

could mean spades, any Ace, who knows

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I try and keep the pressure on, spades will have to pay, a poor Ace might fold here

I make it $80. Not sure whether this is sensible or not, but check fold feels v weak. Maybe check call is correct. Help!

He flat calls, $262 in there

River gives me the for Broadway

There's $262 in the middle

I'm playing $370 or so, him $270ish

Value bet territory yes?

How much?

I value bet, he pushes by the way.

Thoughts now?   
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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2008, 11:34:18 PM »

I'd bet really weak on the river, $120ish, unlikely your not splitting the pot or he's flushed though if he raises...
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2008, 11:35:02 PM »

Hard for him to flush, why is he calling flop? 45h?
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2008, 11:37:42 PM »

Preflop, flop yep

Turn is tricky, are we bluffing/value betting? I think i would check/call a small bet and check/fold a bigger bet but meh its close.

River deffo value betting this card after firing 2 streets and i can't pass to the shove. We have   in our hand the   is out there, there are so few hearts combo that get there i can't see how we can fold. We are probably chopping alot.
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2008, 11:39:25 PM »

I don't like your bet on the flop for this reason...

could mean spades, any Ace, who knows


Value bet's fine with me, plenty of hands will call you.

I think you have to call the push on the river. If he has the flush, hard luck, but he could easily have a king here or hopefully the bluff. He may even be a numpty with a set or something.

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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2008, 11:40:28 PM »

yes thanks I did call expecting to be chopping

reveal to come on that



the turn is my main question please, struck me at the time I was in difficult territory. Generally too weak in these sorts of spots, and relatively weak at 6 max (full ring its check here and try and get to river)...all opinions welcome
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2008, 11:55:19 PM »

yes thanks I did call expecting to be chopping

reveal to come on that



the turn is my main question please, struck me at the time I was in difficult territory. Generally too weak in these sorts of spots, and relatively weak at 6 max (full ring its check here and try and get to river)...all opinions welcome

I wouldn't worry about the spades, it's not likely enough. Personally, I'd check the turn. If he's calling the flop, he probably has you beat and with a Jack and Queen on board, he could easily have two pair and is going nowhere. I think he'd fold crappy pocket pairs on the flop, unless he is calling to push you off the turn.
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2008, 11:56:28 PM »

yes thanks I did call expecting to be chopping

reveal to come on that



the turn is my main question please, struck me at the time I was in difficult territory. Generally too weak in these sorts of spots, and relatively weak at 6 max (full ring its check here and try and get to river)...all opinions welcome

He value shoved 89 spades?
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2008, 03:29:35 AM »

 I probs check flop, minaly a style thing but in 3bet pots v randoms with a wa/wb hand i prefer to use some pot control. The way its played i really dont think the turn is a bet. Pretty damn hard for a worse hand to be calling and ur turning a good hand into a bluff, inflating the pot unnecessarily with a marginal hand without a plan for the river. I prefer Check and soul read him, tough for him to be bluffing you and spade draws will often take a free card. 

BTW the ones where they backdoor a flush do my f***** brain in.
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2008, 04:09:17 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2008, 04:11:58 AM »

if he has a made hand on the turn surely he would raise with there being two flush draws and straight draws out there. its a really tough one with the player being unknown. all we know is he bought in for the max so he may know what hes doing. he could of flatted with ak and doesnt want to raise the turn but your holding two of his potential cards so its hard to put him on that. how much did you bet on the river? did you give him enough rope?  
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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2008, 08:56:22 AM »

Played it fine for me..always a call on the river.
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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2008, 09:06:18 AM »

rather staggeringly I was shown  on the river!

I expected KQ,AK etc
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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2008, 09:23:44 AM »

rather staggeringly I was shown  on the river!

I expected KQ,AK etc

How does he not raise the turn!
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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2008, 09:26:48 AM »

rather staggeringly I was shown  on the river!

I expected KQ,AK etc

How does he not raise the turn!

Why would he, he's miles ahead. Villain played it fine up untill he stuck the reraise in on the river...that was pretty bad.
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