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« Reply #45 on: July 18, 2008, 02:40:26 AM »

Nice one..hoping for a road trip to DTD for one of the bigger ones...but if u ever make it to Luton G...small cheap beer in the offing  Grin
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« Reply #46 on: July 18, 2008, 03:29:28 AM »

Srsly whats the point of this thread?
You lost a flip, whats to analyze?

yeah, these tilt the fudge out of me too m8. can we have another hand like manchester again? that was fun. not worth £1k mind. 

Love the preflop 600 bet, so whats gonna jam on me now? Insane, just stick to what action dan says and get action from worse.
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« Reply #47 on: July 18, 2008, 10:04:11 AM »

Posted by: Longy
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Overbetting preflop is a bit nonsensical.
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Also we should be stealing alot from late position and by making it less we can make stealing a better risk reward proposition.

Pretty good post Longy. However, only someone who approaches poker from a purely mathematical perspective would say it makes no sense to overbet from a stealing position. I don't like the bet myself but I wouldn't go so far as to say it has no merit. The fact that we should be stealing a lot from here means that appearing to overbet is a good disguise for a premium hand. The fact the pusher is a regular aggressive player makes it a slightly more appealing option as well. It looks like a steal to me. Anyway, this wasn't the op's motivation for the bet so it WAS officially a bad bet.

On that subject hugh, the motivation for your actions needs attention.

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am always scared in these to get many callers
You can't play poker like this. Being worried that your oppos will make mistakes, call you with worse hands, and give you money is an attitude that needs to be your chief worry right now.

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i am raising to 600 as i think if i make 300 i will get called in 2 or 3 spots with any pp any ace and will see my self c betting flop having allowed trips to hit
Next time you play please don't be worrying that your oppo will call you with a crushed smaller pair and hit trips. Or that someone will call you with A-rag. These are very weird worries to have if you like winning tournaments.

Anyway the upshot is the op's overbet got a worse hand to push and his overbet looked suspiciously weak. So this overbetting lark has some sense in the end. Pre I like 400 with an aggressive bb. A nice blend of the two principles and much better than 250.
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« Reply #48 on: July 18, 2008, 07:43:34 PM »


i posted the hand as it was a good example of me busting out in a mtt
it was not a FFS or ul me post

 Mantis your posts in particular have given me something to think about 
"On that subject hugh, the motivation for your actions needs attention"
strikes a chord i think i need to think more about Raise sizes and what am i trying to achieve

Thank you to all who posted

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« Reply #49 on: July 19, 2008, 04:13:34 PM »

I am awaiting the arrival of Flushy on this thread with excitement.

Esp for the reasoning for 600 raise analysis he will no doubt provide.

I can't reply to this thread, if i did i would be 80% fave for a life ban
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« Reply #50 on: July 20, 2008, 01:54:56 AM »

i make it 350 and go from there....

600 though does look like 66-99 so you may have induced JJ to shove..........

This is an important point. If I was villain I would jam KQo there expecting the raise to 600 to be a mid pocket pair never more than JJ and that I'm flipping if they get it in but that there are people stupid enough to make it 6xbb with 99 - JJ and then fold when put in for their tournament life meaning I have decent FE.
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