Poker - it's a messy business.....

[Mango99]

Thursday, July 17, 2008

Tiffany Michelle Official Statement
Thursday, July 17, 2008

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I am a grown woman and I can decide for myself who I choose to associate myself with.

hmmm, good choice Tiff.

Aye, but would you accept $80k to be associated with a cheating poker site - e.g. Ultimate Bet, Absolute Poker - or $15k to be assoicated with one that was legit? Also, she may not have been aware of the UB scandal when signing the deal I guess. I loaded it up the other day and saw there were still quite a lot of people playing there, so I guess not everyone has heard yet

easy question - $15k to be associated with one that is legit.  I wouldn't accept any amount of money to be 'associated with a cheating poker site'.  I'd be gobsmacked if she wasn't aware of the scandal.

Aye lol, was just playing Devil's advocate a little

However, being in the position with 2 deals on the table- $80k or $15k (just random figures plucked out of the air)- it would certainly make me think. I like to think I'd pick the $15k deal, but without being in that situation, it's hard to say. Obviously I wouldn't think for even an ato-second if I'd been bought into a tourney as in this case. The answer then always has to be "no", or at the very least discuss it with your current sponsors to see what they say.

[Claw75]

Thursday, July 17, 2008

Tiffany Michelle Official Statement
Thursday, July 17, 2008

........

I am a grown woman and I can decide for myself who I choose to associate myself with.

hmmm, good choice Tiff.

Aye, but would you accept $80k to be associated with a cheating poker site - e.g. Ultimate Bet, Absolute Poker - or $15k to be assoicated with one that was legit? Also, she may not have been aware of the UB scandal when signing the deal I guess. I loaded it up the other day and saw there were still quite a lot of people playing there, so I guess not everyone has heard yet

easy question - $15k to be associated with one that is legit.  I wouldn't accept any amount of money to be 'associated with a cheating poker site'.  I'd be gobsmacked if she wasn't aware of the scandal.

Aye lol, was just playing Devil's advocate a little

However, being in the position with 2 deals on the table- $80k or $15k (just random figures plucked out of the air)- it would certainly make me think. I like to think I'd pick the $15k deal, but without being in that situation, it's hard to say. Obviously I wouldn't think for even an ato-second if I'd been bought into a tourney as in this case. The answer then always has to be "no", or at the very least discuss it with your current sponsors to see what they say.

to me the question is almost like 'how much would you sell your integrity and reputation for'.  Mine's not for sale at any price!

I might take to playing poker in a white suit a la Martin Bell!!!

[Mango99]

Thursday, July 17, 2008

Tiffany Michelle Official Statement
Thursday, July 17, 2008

........

I am a grown woman and I can decide for myself who I choose to associate myself with.

hmmm, good choice Tiff.

Aye, but would you accept $80k to be associated with a cheating poker site - e.g. Ultimate Bet, Absolute Poker - or $15k to be assoicated with one that was legit? Also, she may not have been aware of the UB scandal when signing the deal I guess. I loaded it up the other day and saw there were still quite a lot of people playing there, so I guess not everyone has heard yet

easy question - $15k to be associated with one that is legit.  I wouldn't accept any amount of money to be 'associated with a cheating poker site'.  I'd be gobsmacked if she wasn't aware of the scandal.

Aye lol, was just playing Devil's advocate a little

However, being in the position with 2 deals on the table- $80k or $15k (just random figures plucked out of the air)- it would certainly make me think. I like to think I'd pick the $15k deal, but without being in that situation, it's hard to say. Obviously I wouldn't think for even an ato-second if I'd been bought into a tourney as in this case. The answer then always has to be "no", or at the very least discuss it with your current sponsors to see what they say.

to me the question is almost like 'how much would you sell your integrity and reputation for'.  Mine's not for sale at any price!

I might take to playing poker in a white suit a la Martin Bell!!!

Okay, how about $5m for the UB/AP gear, or $2k for PartyPoker? lol

[Jon MW]

To put it another way, you might have to look at these offers in relative terms rather than absolute terms.

For example if a site were offering you 5 or 10 or 20 times your annual salary - wouldn't practicality have to be considered rather than integrity?

[Mango99]

To put it another way, you might have to look at these offers in relative terms rather than absolute terms.

For example if a site were offering you 5 or 10 or 20 times your annual salary - wouldn't practicality have to be considered rather than integrity?

I see what you did there. nh

[bobAlike]

This all comes down to integrity. I see no probs in accepting the money. The fact is that she should have be honest and upfront with Pokernews and Tony G.

[Claw75]

wouldn't practicality have to be considered rather than integrity?

of course not - I wouldn't be making myself worse off by turning down the offer - I'd be in exactly the same boat I am now.  I'm not well off, but i'm happy with my life as it is

for someone who is playing poker for a living I guess it's a different kettle of fish, but if someone's willing to pay megabucks to sponsor them I'm sure another sponsor will be around the corner.

[ariston]

I am already grt a nice payday in the tourney so why would I need to sell my integrity for a few bits of silver. No ammount of money would make me stiff someone who was a friend and good enough to buy me into the event in the first place. If someone buys you into an event you are their servant for that event and you should do nothing without discussing it with them first. Any proceeds you do get from another source should also be split with your backer as well imo.

[Dewi_cool]

there is a huge difference between winning a seat in a satellite and being staked/sponsored. Tiffany was only in the event because she was put in by tony g and lisandro so they should imo have been part of any "extras" she got for getting deep. She wouldn't have been in the event but for them putting her in so I reckon its not unreasonable for them to be involved in other sponsorship negotiations. Tony G doesn't want to be associated with UB and has banned all adds from them on his site so you can see why he should be miffed when she appears in their logo next to his.

Lets just say Julian had bought me into the main event and given me william hill shirts to wear in case I got deep and I finalled. Would you all think it ok for me to turn up for the final in a DTD shirt with a william hill cap on? Julian hasnt got me to sign a water tight contract and rob offered me a few quid to get his logo on tv so wheres the harm in it? Anyone who thinks it would be ok doesn't know how things should be done. in the above situation I would speak to Julian and say robs asked me to wear DTD wear and offered 100k for me to do so, as you bought me in thats 50 large a piece so what do you reckon? If Julian says nah I would rather you wear will hills gear then I wouldnt dream of wearing anything else. Tiff should realise who gave her her shot, if she really believes she has done nothing wrong the very least she could do is give a share of any of the extra dosh she got to tony g and lisandro as she wouldnt have been in a position to get the extra dough if they hadnt bought her in.

Greed is a horrible trait

bet post ever by Russ - FACT

[Grier78]

I would wear my Blonde t-shirt with pride for gratis.

[marcro]

Thursday, July 17, 2008

Tiffany Michelle Official Statement
Thursday, July 17, 2008

........

I am a grown woman and I can decide for myself who I choose to associate myself with.

hmmm, good choice Tiff.

Aye, but would you accept $80k to be associated with a cheating poker site - e.g. Ultimate Bet, Absolute Poker - or $15k to be assoicated with one that was legit? Also, she may not have been aware of the UB scandal when signing the deal I guess. I loaded it up the other day and saw there were still quite a lot of people playing there, so I guess not everyone has heard yet

easy question - $15k to be associated with one that is legit.  I wouldn't accept any amount of money to be 'associated with a cheating poker site'.  I'd be gobsmacked if she wasn't aware of the scandal.

Aye lol, was just playing Devil's advocate a little

However, being in the position with 2 deals on the table- $80k or $15k (just random figures plucked out of the air)- it would certainly make me think. I like to think I'd pick the $15k deal, but without being in that situation, it's hard to say. Obviously I wouldn't think for even an ato-second if I'd been bought into a tourney as in this case. The answer then always has to be "no", or at the very least discuss it with your current sponsors to see what they say.

to me the question is almost like 'how much would you sell your integrity and reputation for'.  Mine's not for sale at any price!

I might take to playing poker in a white suit a la Martin Bell!!!

Okay, how about $5m for the UB/AP gear, or $2k for PartyPoker? lol

I would take the $5m and let everyone know that I signed up for $5m.  I don't see getting to many offers of $5m and would have difficulty not taking it and being honest as to why I did it.

[Claw75]

I would take the $5m and let everyone know that I signed up for $5m.  I don't see getting to many offers of $5m and would have difficulty not taking it and being honest as to why I did it.

but would you not feel that that $5m was dirty money?  Would that not bother you? I suppose there is an argument that if you didn't take it someone else would.......

[Jon MW]

I would take the $5m and let everyone know that I signed up for $5m.  I don't see getting to many offers of $5m and would have difficulty not taking it and being honest as to why I did it.

but would you not feel that that $5m was dirty money?  Would that not bother you? I suppose there is an argument that if you didn't take it someone else would.......

If you didn't take it they might just keep it themselves.

Who deserves it more - a fine upstanding member of the poker community such as yourself or the dirty, disreputable, lowdown poker site trying to buy your integrity?

The fact that they're trying to buy your integrity clearly shows that they don't deserve such riches and it would be your moral duty to deprive them of it so that you could put the money to good use.

[boldie]

I would take the $5m and let everyone know that I signed up for $5m.  I don't see getting to many offers of $5m and would have difficulty not taking it and being honest as to why I did it.

but would you not feel that that $5m was dirty money?  Would that not bother you? I suppose there is an argument that if you didn't take it someone else would.......

I would take 5mill as well...if it meant only wearing it for the FT of the WSOP...in every interview after the WSOP I would mention that they paid me 5mill and are a bunch of cheating w*nks and people shouldn't play there... ..take 5mill and ruin them

[maldini32]

To all you who say you would'nt don a few logos cos you have a lot more integrity than that, you cant really say that unless you have been in that situation.

BTW if it was a m8, no way would i be wearing any logo's, whether it be the first day or the final table.
I would'nt think twice about taking the money from another site if i satted into the event say for example with VC, after all they have'nt paid me in. Like Roy Keane say's players have gotta look after themselves.