Another AA hand in Omaha!

[GlasgowBandit]

Villain in this particular hand seemed to have one move and that was to raise and shove flops from SB/UTG etc never got to a show down that often with him but I took a buy in off him earlier when shoved a FD on the turn when I was sitting with quads. 

I get a ig what of my stack in pre flop but what sort of hands we putting the villain on?  I am thinking QQXX is a possibility with the initial re-raise of my raise pre.  89TJ, 9TJQ etc could make up his range but from what I have observed he is as likely to play the same way with KKXX

Easy call once he shoves the flop right? is my 4 bet pre flop a bad play here?  I am thinking at best I want to play my aces heads up I don't want to bring the other player along for a free ride.

PokerStars Game #19436540292:  Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/08/07 - 16:13:06 (ET)
Table 'Bandusia III' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: vister ($433.05 in chips)
Seat 2: stokie ($115 in chips)
Seat 3: moore ($317.95 in chips)
Seat 4: porty32 ($195.80 in chips)
Seat 5: KarmaTIll ($241.30 in chips)
Seat 6: Sean Illes ($287.90 in chips)
Sean Illes: posts small blind $1
vister: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to porty32 [ Ah]
stokie: folds
moore: folds
porty32: raises $4 to $6
KarmaTIll: folds
Sean Illes: raises $14 to $20
vister: calls $18
porty32: raises $60 to $80
Sean Illes: calls $60
vister: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Sean Illes: bets $177

[Ironside]

i would of just called his reraise pre

on the flop i am thinking your against the nut flush draw and maybe QQQ proberly KK and possibly AA

dont think i snap call here

think i more snap fold

[GlasgowBandit]

think i more snap fold

I think more often than not I find a pass here as well, but the whole situation never felt right. 

[Royal Flush]

NEVER FOLD

You have pt 80 of 190 in pre, just get it in.

Iron why on earthy would you not want to get 40% of your stack in pre with dbl suited AA?

[Ironside]

NEVER FOLD

You have pt 80 of 190 in pre, just get it in.

Iron why on earthy would you not want to get 40% of your stack in pre with dbl suited AA?

cause i dont like the danglers they are too far apart makes it into a hand when you see the flop you either have a draw to the flush or you hoping you aces hold

i prefer to play omaha on the turn there is no money left when you have 40% in pre to play the turn


looking back at stack sizes flushy is right here though you have too much in too fold

[GlasgowBandit]

NEVER FOLD

You have pt 80 of 190 in pre, just get it in.

Iron why on earthy would you not want to get 40% of your stack in pre with dbl suited AA?

I'm not too sure about never folding Flushy what if the board comes something like 89Tc ?  I could save that $110 and get myself back to my buy in?

I take the same line as you in regards trying to get as much of my stack in pre with suited aces.

I cut off the remainder of the hand history but matey shoved the flop with  A 6 5 8 rainbow obviously I called and he pinged a 6 on the turn for trips! 

In my mind I had this guy tagged as a loony but I just don't get this play?  First of all re-raising me OOP only to flat another pot bet from me pre and then shove into me when he has paired his 6 with a gutshot its like lol!  Think I'll start following him

[boldie]

in this case this is an easy call. he is shoving everything here and you're likely to be ahead.

[NoflopsHomer]

Fold here if you hate money.

[EvilPie]

i would of just called his reraise pre

on the flop i am thinking your against the nut flush draw and maybe QQQ proberly KK and possibly AA

dont think i snap call here

think i more snap fold

Can I have my £75 back? 

[ACE2M]

folding is mental, you have managed to get enough chips in pre to take this decision away from you.

[GlasgowBandit]

Against this opponent its certainly an easy call.  I think against most players its probably an ideal flop for my hand.  I dunno if its a leak but everytime i pick up AAXX or KKXX and try and thin the number of opponents down I can never get them to fold by re-raising/potting.

I am wondering if its perhaps more profitable to flat/check with this type of holding and make it an easy get away if I miss the flop ?

I know most players are always raising it up with AAXX but i think in Omaha your probs like 60/40 at best with most flops with AA.

I convince myself that I am playing the hands right but, I am not properly rolled to play these games and after I do 2/3/4 buy-ins I am struggling.  And I don't have the discipline to grind the lower levels and work up the roll.

When i play 50/$1 i run over tables and do fairly well but I have this tendancy to play the biggest game i can and that means if i have $400 i want to play $2/4 with it and if I have more I want to play $3/6 I don't think there is a great deal of difference in terms of skill with some of the players, obviously you have to be aware of the regs who generally crush such games and if you can avoid them then can do ok.

I think it would be easier if I just won the lottery and I had a nice fat roll and could handle some of the downswings involved.

[NoflopsHomer]

Short-stack large buy-in games then.

[ACE2M]

Short-stack large buy-in games then.

exactly. read slotbnottoms book and never look back.

[boldie]

Short-stack large buy-in games then.

+1 Short-stack is the new black.

[Milkybarkid]

This is never EVER a fold.

You only need to have approximately 25-30% chance to make the call correct, and against his range you probably are a favorite after the flop anyway!