Drugs in poker

[phatomch]

in the pursuit of a valid answer I took one for the team and played last night whilst on a non-named drug (illegal).

My findings

I lost at the same incredible speed that only I can manage.

I was so high I didn't care.

so in conclusion drugs are good for stopping players going on life tilt.

you dont get much more scientific than a study like that.

Tonight I will be getting pissed and donking of aswell all in the name of science, to see if I go on life tilt.

[thetank]

I've googled but could only find weird mumbo jumbo stuff like you shouldn't drink water during the 2 hours before you go to bed

I learned that the hard way between the ages of 4 and 8.

[ShatnerPants]

Ideally the body wants and needs plain water. Room temperature and little and often.

Couldn't agree more.

But I found that if you store your water in barrels for later drinkage, it goes off.

To solve this problem, add a smidge of yeast, sugar, and hops.

[bolt pp]

Wow, what a great debate!

just to confirm you're talking about the previous 14 pages? LOL

A huge percentage written has been absolute nonsense, written by people who are either purporting to know what they're talking but i would imagine are genrally accepting this is a subject about which they know very little or people who seem to think they have an informed opinion to impart when in fact from what ive read have nothing remotely accurate or coherent to say.

Unless the next three pages are spectacularly insightful this was not anything near approaching a great debate.

I'm embarrassed for some people that have posted on this thread

No, one disagress with the Rt Hon ( & very good to see his return) Bolt.

It IS a great debate, specifically because.....

It's an awkward & emotive subject to Debate - but everyone kept their cool, kept it civil, & despite a huge diversity of opinion, there has not been the need to Delete a single Post. That's a good debate.

You are certainly right about many of the Posters - me especially - not knowing what they/we are talking about. But I don't see that as a problem, because it helps those of us ignorant of drug-culture to better understand.

In my case, having never touched recreational drugs in my life (cigarettes excluded), it was a bit of an eye-opener to see how many people do partake, & to learn about new things - "poppers", amal nitrate, coke, etc. I disagree & disapprove of every aspect of recreational drugs, but that did not detract from my fascination with the subject. Not the least, there is one, single thing I never understood about drug use - why do people do it? I'm none the wiser, even now. Any more than I know why I smoke cigarettes, by the way, so I'm not being holier than thou, it's just one of life's questions I don't get - what on earth makes folks want to do it?

As to the subject of the debate - the guy who caused it - my view was that he should have been excluded, or penalised - but not becauser he did drugs, but because he marred so many people's enjoyment. Because, as it happens, he was as high as a kite, & grossly offensive to his table companions, including a young lady.

Most responses on the thread come from an angle - being that the Posters approve, or disapprove, of drugs. I am no different, nor, I suspect, are you. We simply debate from our respective positions.

Anyway, where you been?

ive become a Buddhist, ive been meditating in Tibet for the last 2 months( although i used to sneak out the monastery at night to fucck up some Chinese soldiers with some kung fu but dont say anything cos they wont let me back).

Anyway when i left the head bloke comes up to me at the gate and says:"let me tell you something, this is all bollocks, play some poker, do some pills and enjoy life, i mean seriously what mug bowls bowls about all his life sitting around humming all day like a dosser" i looked at the man and he was serious, i could tell this man was telling me the truth so ive taken his advice and i'm back in business, i feel kind of bad for sneaking into his room the night before and nicking 4 packs of instant fried rice though.

[boldie]

point well made Mr Bolt.

[Dingdell]

Ideally the body wants and needs plain water. Room temperature and little and often.

have you got any links about this? I've googled but could only find weird mumbo jumbo stuff like you shouldn't drink water during the 2 hours before you go to bed

I couldn't find anything either but I haven't spent a lot of time looking tbh- its all to do with how the tissue is affected by the temperature of the water. Cooler water tends to tighten the tissue which can inhibit absorption, warmer water keeps the tissue more maleable (sp?) or softer and absorbtion is better. (Try running a breast of chicken under cold water and warm water and see how the tissue reacts - it's the same principle.)

Obv cold water is better than none at all but room temp is optimum for hydration purposes. When exercising water is used for cooling so if you want cold water then it's fine to help cool the body - but do drink room temperature water afterwards to help rehydrate.

[byronkincaid]

Ideally the body wants and needs plain water. Room temperature and little and often.

have you got any links about this? I've googled but could only find weird mumbo jumbo stuff like you shouldn't drink water during the 2 hours before you go to bed

I couldn't find anything either but I haven't spent a lot of time looking tbh- its all to do with how the tissue is affected by the temperature of the water. Cooler water tends to tighten the tissue which can inhibit absorption, warmer water keeps the tissue more maleable (sp?) or softer and absorbtion is better. (Try running a breast of chicken under cold water and warm water and see how the tissue reacts - it's the same principle.)

Obv cold water is better than none at all but room temp is optimum for hydration purposes. When exercising water is used for cooling so if you want cold water then it's fine to help cool the body - but do drink room temperature water afterwards to help rehydrate.

how do you know this to be true? who told you?

[Dingdell]

Ideally the body wants and needs plain water. Room temperature and little and often.

have you got any links about this? I've googled but could only find weird mumbo jumbo stuff like you shouldn't drink water during the 2 hours before you go to bed

I couldn't find anything either but I haven't spent a lot of time looking tbh- its all to do with how the tissue is affected by the temperature of the water. Cooler water tends to tighten the tissue which can inhibit absorption, warmer water keeps the tissue more maleable (sp?) or softer and absorbtion is better. (Try running a breast of chicken under cold water and warm water and see how the tissue reacts - it's the same principle.)

Obv cold water is better than none at all but room temp is optimum for hydration purposes. When exercising water is used for cooling so if you want cold water then it's fine to help cool the body - but do drink room temperature water afterwards to help rehydrate.

how do you know this to be true? who told you?

It was part of my training as a nutritionist and was also included in my colonic therapy training but, obv like you, I don't take things at face value, and my education continues. Over 5 years we have worked with clients trying to improve hydration. We test hydration levels at first visit and their water drinking habits are recorded. If appropriate we suggest changes such as temperature and volume (very often reducing volume rather than increasing) and then retest at another appointment. Often the levels of hydration have improved significantly.

To be slightly more technical (and I don't know your background so I may be teaching you to suck eggs - apologies if I dumbed it down a bit - it's essential when trying to get a message across to a lot of clients as they tend to experience white coat syndrome when they get here) achieving the correct rate of gastric emptying is tantamount to hydration and the body functioning at it's optimal level. For example cold water during training is good because it leaves the stomach quicker and you are less likely to get cramps. For clients that are dehydrated it may be preferable for the water to take longer (but not while training) to be processed allowing the body as much time as possible to absorb fluids.   

Another reason why it's recommended to only have plain water when training is adding elements such as minerals slows the gastric emptying down and again can cause cramping - it's recommened that these are taken after a workout. We often suggest that our clients are tested for mineral levels and if appropriate add these into water as, as a secondary affect, it slows the emptying down. Everything we eat and drink affects the gastric motility.

The advice we give clients is specifically based on their personal circumstances and questionnaire, and to achieve specific goals. Anything discussed here on Blonde is general discussion and each individual should make up their own mind what is appropriate for them, with professional help if they want it.

Hope that's helpful.

[byronkincaid]

it just seems weird that you state it as a fact but can't find one other (sane) person on the internet who says the same thing.

a lot of nutritionists are complete wack jobs IMO

there seem to be a few websites saying that colonic irrigation is quackery, for example

http://www.docshop.com/2008/06/23/colonic-irrigation-for-detoxification-and-weight-loss-healthy-hydrotherapy-or-hucksters-hype/

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/gastro.html

from wiki

Enemas used in alternative medicine and in holistic health are referred to as colon hydrotherapy or colonic irrigation and involve the use of substances added or mixed with water in order to detoxify the body. Practitioners believe the accumulation of fecal matter in the large intestine leads to ill health,[2] and false urban legends about fecal accumulation circulate on the internet.[3] This use is not supported by western medical practitioners and governing bodies,[4][5][6] who recommend the use of enemas only in cases of constipation,[7] though its use to treat a variety of ailments has persisted in popular use despite lacking scientific support

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enema

I wouldn't even bother with all this if you occasionally put in an "IMO" or "I think" or something similar, it's just when you state things as fact that I feel like having a bit of a google....

[Dingdell]

it just seems weird that you state it as a fact but can't find one other (sane) person on the internet who says the same thing.

a lot of nutritionists are complete wack jobs IMO

there seem to be a few websites saying that colonic irrigation is quackery, for example

http://www.docshop.com/2008/06/23/colonic-irrigation-for-detoxification-and-weight-loss-healthy-hydrotherapy-or-hucksters-hype/

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/gastro.html

from wiki

Enemas used in alternative medicine and in holistic health are referred to as colon hydrotherapy or colonic irrigation and involve the use of substances added or mixed with water in order to detoxify the body. Practitioners believe the accumulation of fecal matter in the large intestine leads to ill health,[2] and false urban legends about fecal accumulation circulate on the internet.[3] This use is not supported by western medical practitioners and governing bodies,[4][5][6] who recommend the use of enemas only in cases of constipation,[7] though its use to treat a variety of ailments has persisted in popular use despite lacking scientific support

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enema

I wouldn't even bother with all this if you occasionally put in an "IMO" or "I think" or something similar, it's just when you state things as fact that I feel like having a bit of a google....

I never would have guessed!! I can't disagree with you - particularly when I was a complete disbeliever until i had colonics as a last resort for a problem I was having that couldn't be sorted by conventional medicine. Luckily I'm not a tree hugger or sandal wearing therapist - as a financial broker in my previous 'life' I have a very analytical approach and don't believe in juicing dandelions at dawn or any other such crap that many 'therapists' spout off about.

I guess that if you saw as many clients a day as I do and the majority have hydration problems which improve once they have followed your advice you would be more convinced. I am currently filming a tv programme which will air in November and two of the guys I am working with are GB weightlifters who adhere to the water recommendations without any reference to me. It was what was recommened by their coach so I guess he's a wacko too!

There is a fair bit here about water for bodybuilders but it covers the areas we are discussing too - I was reticent to post any links as your doubt in me would cause you to suggest I've just posted things that confirm what I am saying - loose loose situation really.

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:Kujyn5FZOmoJ:www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-hydration.aspx+water+temperature+hydration&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk

As for putting anything as IMO - it is written by me and I assume is seen as my opinion unless I credit someone else with it? For example - If I was quoting Freud I would say something along the lines of 'As Frued once said......'

However I am an insured therapist who has jumped through a number of credibility checks to be able to treat clients while being filmed on the TV and believe me I would have had an easier interview trying to get into the secret service than be accepted by the BBC. I was chosen from many to do this because of my concientious and no frills approach to my specialist therapy. I am very proud of what I do - I provide a service that is valued by many and is now covered by some private medical insurers in the UK as a valid treatment. I'm not a doctor, have never purported to be one, but I do have a lot of experience in my field, and have five doctors in the local area who refer their patients to me. That one fact in itself speaks volumes imo. It's not a fact you'll find on the internet though so you may not find it acceptable.

Anyway - I understand your doubt and I'm not trying to change the world, just make it a bit more hydrated and healthy. 

[AndrewT]

Blatant 'I'm going to be on TV' brag post IMO.

[Dingdell]

Blatant 'I'm going to be on TV' brag post IMO.

Lol - hardly - I would have mentioned that we have 2 more in the pipeline (forgive the pun)  - I am in competition with Indy.....

[kinboshi]

I know several people who have ulcerative colitis, and have been told by 'consultant specialists' that diet is not related at all to ulcerative colitis.  He couldn't tell me what did cause it (in the first place, or what causes flare ups), but could tell me what didn't cause it.  In fact, these consultants merely prescribe medicines to deal with the symptoms of colitis - nothing to deal with the causes.  They just dish out NSAIDs (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs) like they're going out of business, rather than actually address what could be causing the symptoms and dealing with that.

I wasn't happy with what he was saying, and after lots of hours of research on the web I found 'alternative' suggestions to help deal with colitis and have suggested a number of these to the people I know with colitis.  They have followed these suggestions to different degrees, but all have found them to be beneficial.  Modern medicine is brilliant, especially in terms of surgery, dealing with serious life-threatening conditions, etc.  But there are a lot of conditions that don't get any proper research.  They are too 'trivial' or aren't of interest to the massive pharmaceutical firms - and so aren't the subject of serious study.   

I'm also critical of some practices of doctors (pardon the pun).  Why is it that antibiotics are dished out left, right and centre without actually addressing the problem the patient has?  A friend of mine was feeling run-down and ill because of this.  He went to see a 'specialist' who gave him a course of antibiotics and steroids!  Antibiotics!??  There was no evidence of bacterial infection, and the doctor had only mentioned stress or virus (or combination of) as the possible causes.  So why the hell should they prescribe antibiotics?  Not only will they be completely ineffective in dealing with his malaise, they could well lead to other problems (I'm sure Tracey will agree with me here, as I think, and there's lots of evidence to show that antibiotics can cause a lot of digestive problems as they kill off the 'healthy' bacteria and provide conditions for nasty stuff to grow and effectively poison yourself from the inside.

I'm a huge advocate of science, and am adverse to 'mumbo jumbo' therapies - but there are many practices attached to modern medicine that aren't beneficial to health.  It's not the science that's the fault, it's its application. 

I think it's a shame that some therapies are seen as alternative.  I'm not talking about nonsense stuff such as homeopathy which has zero scientific backing (other than the placebo effect from the patient receiving 'quality' time with someone who listens to them and spends time with them, which a GP often doesn't provide), but things like colonic irrigation does have a logical and testable scientific grounding.

[AlrightJack]

Can anyone remember the name of the annoying drugged up king cnute who played in the Luton main event last year? I think he's back again this year.

[tikay]

Can anyone remember the name of the annoying drugged up king cnute who played in the Luton main event last year? I think he's back again this year.

The "popper" guy?

He was of Greek Origin, if I'm not mistaken (he was sat to my right), & he claimed to be related to Bambos. I don't recall his name though.