Call or Fold?

[ScottMGee]

£1/£2 NLHE Cash at DTD 4 or 5 handed.

starting stack £190 approx.

Cards on BB.

Preflop raised to £7, SB calls, I call (3 players)

Flop -

SB bets £20, I call, Button Calls.

Turn

SB bets £40, I call, Button raises All in.

SB folds.

I have about £113 left.

Call or Fold?

[boldie]

Fold Pre.

I hate these "stuck in the middle with nowhere to go" spots. SB keeps betting out so must have half a hand (though he folded to he probably only had top pair A9 or something like that) , Button is showing he's not scared to take on 2 players..I reckon when you call the £40 you've already decided you're not going anywhere...I call now..but would have folded the turn sb bet

[Graham C]

Don't like it myself, I'd fold to the £40, certainly to the all in.  I'd have folded preflop too.

[Royal Flush]

4 handed K8 suited pass pre?

[boldie]

4 handed K8 suited pass pre?

Sorry didn't read the 4 handed part.

[snoopy1239]

How much is his all-in and what was the small blind's starting stack?

[NoflopsHomer]

4 handed K8 suited pass pre?

OOP, yus.

[ScottMGee]

both players had slightly more than me, hence the stacks in play as it were are £190 each.

[snoopy1239]

Assuming he's got you beat, I'm not sure you've quite got the odds. Could also be drawing dead. One for the mathematicians, but I'd fold.

[Horneris]

Id Probs call.

[MC]

You have to pass here. The minimum he has here is a 5. You're drawing to 20% at best, and could already be dead.


£113 call into a pot of approx £275 is what like 2.5 to 1 and hard to believe you're not a 4 to 1 dog.


Call pre is fine. Perhaps raise the flop? Turn is a harsh card for you really.

[poker player]

think i'd fold

[silverslick]

I don't like the call pre flop but think you would need to call now, you have the flush draw, the king and always a chance he is bluffing

[EvilPie]

If he's raised to protect I'd guess he's got a 5 in his hand.

If he's ahead of you now with a hand that you can't possibly beat then he's played badly by trying to scare everyone off.

I'd say he's either got a 5 or he's on the nut flush draw.

If he's got the 5 then you've got all your outs so you might hit your flush, if he's on the nut flush draw then you've got 2 of his outs so he's hopefully going to miss.

Worst case (other than the full house already). 1 of them has a 5, the other has the nut flush draw and calls. Than you're screwed.

I'm not sure how this works out but it doesn't look too good.

Probably fold but I don't know if I could.

[ScottMGee]

Thanks for all your replies.

After some consideration, my thoughts where its £113 to win about £314(2.8 - 1).

I discounted him having a full house, because the raise all in makes no sense.

This leaves him with

a) he has a 5 - this means I have 10 or 11 outs (9 for the flush & 2 eights) - I may have deduct 1 out for his boat!
b) he has a flush draw - this means I must be ahead as I have the 8
c) he has a straight - this means I have 12 outs (9 for the flush & 2 eights & 1 five)
d) he has an over pair - this means I have 11 outs again (flush and 2 eights)
e) a complete bluff

at worst I should be 11/46, i.e. 3-1.

Allowing at least 10% for the flush draw, over pair or bluff I felt I had the odds to call and I called.

River Card was the

He claimed to have a straight ( 6 7) and folded when I showed the flush.