Keep The Meta Running

[julian]

lovely stuff,
yet another phrase i can add to my ever increasing list of unfathomable poker termanology.
i rememeber the first time i met nik persauld down at the gutshot a couple of years back, he was talking about a hand (i know, hard to believe it) & he asked me whether i thought there was much fold equity in it - he may as well have been speaking chinese, i honestly had no idea what the hell he was talking about
(obv i put on game face & blagged it....)

[thetank]

I'm on dictionary tilt here.

What does "meta-game" actually mean?
The article, as far as I could tell, is saying that meta-game is basically synonymous with "tricky shit".

[boldie]

I don't even understand the Wikipedia explanation of Meta game.

[scotty2hatty]

I meta girl once but never meta game.

[Longy]

Meta game in regards to poker as I understand it. Is making plays or even saying things which will affect future decisions.

For example in a sng situtions you often get spite calling.

7 handed Blind vs Blind against a reg i will sometimes make a call which is -ev. To stop him pushing any two cards into me constantly, therefore long term i will get some walks in these situations which is +ev for me.

[ariston]

lovely stuff,
yet another phrase i can add to my ever increasing list of unfathomable poker termanology.
i rememeber the first time i met nik persauld down at the gutshot a couple of years back, he was talking about a hand (i know, hard to believe it) & he asked me whether i thought there was much fold equity in it - he may as well have been speaking chinese, i honestly had no idea what the hell he was talking about
(obv i put on game face & blagged it....)

just find it highly amusing the thought of someone trying to ask you if there was fold equity in a hand a couple of years back. Fold equity back then for you julian was a simple equation :yoyo raises+still has chips left= he aint folding I always said we were all completely fooked when you learned about fold equity,pot odds and position.

As for metagame theory the perfect example is Julians career. First few years was just setting everyone up with so many -EV plays and now he reaps the benefits with his image.

[thetank]

Meta game in regards to poker as I understand it. Is making plays or even saying things which will affect future decisions.

For example in a sng situtions you often get spite calling.

That's what I thought it meant. I feel so much better now.
Giving someone a rubdown might be part of the meta game, or buying someone a drink.

Longy's explanation > that article > not much

[boldie]

Meta game in regards to poker as I understand it. Is making plays or even saying things which will affect future decisions.

For example in a sng situtions you often get spite calling.

7 handed Blind vs Blind against a reg i will sometimes make a call which is -ev. To stop him pushing any two cards into me constantly, therefore long term i will get some walks in these situations which is +ev for me.

Ah OK...thanks mate.

[julian]

lovely stuff,
yet another phrase i can add to my ever increasing list of unfathomable poker termanology.
i rememeber the first time i met nik persauld down at the gutshot a couple of years back, he was talking about a hand (i know, hard to believe it) & he asked me whether i thought there was much fold equity in it - he may as well have been speaking chinese, i honestly had no idea what the hell he was talking about
(obv i put on game face & blagged it....)

just find it highly amusing the thought of someone trying to ask you if there was fold equity in a hand a couple of years back. Fold equity back then for you julian was a simple equation :yoyo raises+still has chips left= he aint folding I always said we were all completely fooked when you learned about fold equity,pot odds and position.

As for metagame theory the perfect example is Julians career. First few years was just setting everyone up with so many -EV plays and now he reaps the benefits with his image.

i followed the majority of that up until the -ev bit 

[ariston]

while you are online is there any chance of a blog update? have you won anything worthy of blogging about you lazy git

[julian]

off to dublin this morning for a wedding; they don't have computers over there so that's it put off for another week...
oh & well done in the monkey comp at luton, let's hope it's the start of something beautiful

[ariston]

cheers mate. cu in bolton in a few weeks

[lucky_scrote]

Ignore meta-game unless you play HU tbh. More important things to focus on @ the table.

[gatso]

blonde removing the article is bad form imhumbleO snoops. just coz it aint getting glowing reviews and he does some corporate spiel you remove it.

 Carls a decent writer and has had good reviews on here before, why should it be censored? Goes against the blonde ethos i reckon.

  very bizarre censorship. can I read the article please?

[Grier78]

An explanation of Meta-Game:

Simply put the Meta-Game is the game within the game, or more clearly the way the game is played within a certain environment. Examples of environments could include different countries, internet sites or individual poker clubs. The way the game is played in each of these environments may be subtly different, the rules are the same but the styles are not. In one club the game might be very aggressive and full of bluffers, another could be very tight with everyone trying to out slowplay each other. These two clubs could be described as having different Meta-Games.

A poker club populated with a large number of regular locals who do not play on-line will tend to have a very specific Meta, whilst a bigger club with a constant influx of new experienced players might have a much less defined Meta. The evolution of the internet has meant that the sharing of new ideas and styles of play is disseminated amongst a large number of people very quickly. This might mean that a particular move might be very effective initially, such as floating, but once the word gets out everyone starts to include that move as part of their game and others begin to defend against it. This then results in a shift in the Meta-Game.

One clear example of a shift in the Meta-Game is tournament poker prior to everyone reading Harrington and post everyone reading Harrington.