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snoopy1239
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Keep The Meta Running
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August 16, 2008, 02:27:58 AM »
The latest article from 'The Dean' Carl Sampson can be found by clicking the link below.
http://blondepoker.com/index.php?q=node/20796
Any comments/questions, then please feel free to post them here.
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RobS
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Re: Keep The Meta Running
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August 16, 2008, 03:05:20 AM »
What a fantastic article.
So the difference between high level poker and being merely part of the crowd is getting a 'very good' 33% rakeback deal at Cake Poker.
I can't wait to read the next one!
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Royal Flush
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Re: Keep The Meta Running
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August 16, 2008, 03:29:13 AM »
Quote from: RobS on August 16, 2008, 03:05:20 AM
What a fantastic article.
So the difference between high level poker and being merely part of the crowd is getting a 'very good' 33% rakeback deal at Cake Poker.
I can't wait to read the next one!
lolz have to agree was one of the worst articles i have read on poker, do blonde pay for these?
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Re: Keep The Meta Running
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August 16, 2008, 03:29:47 AM »
I could be wrong, but my understanding of meta is that it means 'the game within the game.'
Calling with the intention to bluff on a later street might not be a good example of what the meta game is then.
It's not the game within the game, it's just the game.
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Re: Keep The Meta Running
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August 16, 2008, 03:33:16 AM »
Quote from: Royal Flush on August 16, 2008, 03:29:13 AM
Quote from: RobS on August 16, 2008, 03:05:20 AM
What a fantastic article.
So the difference between high level poker and being merely part of the crowd is getting a 'very good' 33% rakeback deal at Cake Poker.
I can't wait to read the next one!
lolz have to agree was one of the worst articles i have read on poker, do blonde pay for these?
No, we don't pay for them.
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thetank
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Re: Keep The Meta Running
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August 16, 2008, 03:35:17 AM »
Deliberately writing bad poker articles in order to throw future opponents off the scent.
That would be a good example of meta-game.
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August 16, 2008, 03:42:00 AM »
I didn't know blonde were doing comedy poker articles now.
Awaits more articles about diets in poker, which involving eating lots of cake and plugging more companies that the author happens to be affiliated to.
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Re: Keep The Meta Running
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August 16, 2008, 04:14:35 AM »
Comedy aside, I'll offer a quick constructive suggestion to the author.
The article has been written with the intention to plug a rakeback deal, fair enough. When the topic is suddenly introduced out of the blue like this...
Your opponent bets out two thirds of the pot and you elect to raise them. You were also contemplating calling the bet with the intention of making a move on the turn and both of these plays are based on meta game principles.
When I first became aware of rakeback, I approached a good company called RakeTheRake (
www.raketherake.com
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It becomes a bit too obvious, and this turns the reader, your potential customer, away. It feels too much like a big advert masquerading as an article on poker strategy. I'm no closer to understanding what the meta-game is having read this piece, and I don't think a beginner will either.
It's not all bad. The point you go on to make about how some players perhaps don't play as aggresively as they should because of their rakeback deal and the fact that they are already making guaranteed money is an interesting one. Perhaps you could have centered the article around this, and left out all talk of meta.
Of course this then has the advantage that introducing the topic of rakeback in an article that's actually about rakeback becomes a little easier.
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Re: Keep The Meta Running
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August 16, 2008, 04:31:13 AM »
Due to the feedback on this thread, I have decided to remove this article for the time being.
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Re: Keep The Meta Running
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August 16, 2008, 04:32:06 AM »
I was gonna ask .
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Re: Keep The Meta Running
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August 16, 2008, 04:36:45 AM »
Quote from: Newmanseye on August 16, 2008, 04:32:06 AM
I was gonna ask .
Well, I'm clueless when it comes to the topic of meta gaming, which is why I asked for comments and suggestions on here. The consensus so far seems to be that it's not Carl's greatest effort to date, and thus perhaps not a good advert for the blonde homepage. That and the covert spam that's been highlighted is why I have removed the article. I actually enjoyed his one of Poker Trackers though and found it quite interesting.
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August 16, 2008, 05:01:13 AM »
Hi,
I am very disappointed this article got removed, as I was looking forward to learning about this "meta-game" theory.
My Dad said that he has learnt a lot of valuable techniques from reading Carl's articles and its also made him think of poker in a deeper, more analytical way, due to Carl opening up these mental channels for him. I really wanted to learn about this meta-game, I did not think that getting rakeback was meta-game though? I thought it was more making small negative expected value decisions to benefit from the image this creates in the future? Oh well, I will ask Dad about it tomorrow when he staggers out of bed. I do remember him mentioning something about raising without a premium and showing it at least once a tournament so that you can extract the maximum with the Aces and the Kings later, I am guessing this is meta-game?
Keep your head up Carl, I'm sure my Dad would be lost without your consistently fantastic articles, and I'm sure this is just a minor blip, or you are talking on a different level that people understand, sometimes you got to simplify things because we don't all think as deep as you!
Cheers,
Son Of Martin Green
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Re: Keep The Meta Running
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August 16, 2008, 05:40:20 AM »
I have to add my voice to the poster above in support of The Dean. I am also very disappointed that the article has been removed. The combination of saying almost nothing and doing so in as badly-written as way as possible is not an easy one to achieve, and I had been eagerly looking forward to the latest installment in the Cake-plugger's self-promotional series.
I bring to your attention his last published work, previous to the meta-game lost masterpiece. "Over the past few years, those of us who play poker seriously and regularly are all too aware of tracking software and what they can do," begins The Dean, who is clearly some sort of leading academic, for otherwise he wouldn't be A Dean, nor would he be able to change the rules regarding what tenses to use when employing the English language. "Well I have something of an issue with tracking software…" An issue, The Dean says. What fascinating new insight could this be into the philosophy and ethics of poker technology? "I don't like it."
And the thought-provoking doesn't end there. The Dean goes on to challenge our preconceptions of, ooh, all sorts of stuff, prime among them how many consecutive paragraphs can be started with the word "but", even when pretty much any other word would be more appropriate.
Clearly I don't have the time to trawl through all The Dean's published works to bring each and every highlight to your attention in support of my cause, but I hope you get the idea snoopy. Bring back the meta-game article, save The Dean!
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Re: Keep The Meta Running
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August 16, 2008, 05:56:30 AM »
Quote from: Moskvich on August 16, 2008, 05:40:20 AM
I have to add my voice to the poster above in support of The Dean. I am also very disappointed that the article has been removed. The combination of saying almost nothing and doing so in as badly-written as way as possible is not an easy one to achieve, and I had been eagerly looking forward to the latest installment in the Cake-plugger's self-promotional series.
I bring to your attention his last published work, previous to the meta-game lost masterpiece. "Over the past few years, those of us who play poker seriously and regularly are all too aware of tracking software and what they can do," begins The Dean, who is clearly some sort of leading academic, for otherwise he wouldn't be A Dean, nor would he be able to change the rules regarding what tenses to use when employing the English language. "Well I have something of an issue with tracking software…" An issue, The Dean says. What fascinating new insight could this be into the philosophy and ethics of poker technology? "I don't like it."
And the thought-provoking doesn't end there. The Dean goes on to challenge our preconceptions of, ooh, all sorts of stuff, prime among them how many consecutive paragraphs can be started with the word "but", even when pretty much any other word would be more appropriate.
Clearly I don't have the time to trawl through all The Dean's published works to bring each and every highlight to your attention in support of my cause, but I hope you get the idea snoopy. Bring back the meta-game article, save The Dean!
A fair point well made.
I for one will not let anyone suggest that his previous article was motivated by the fact that the Cake network are anti tracking software. Though do i believe they offer some meta game bonuses for the their customers.
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Re: Keep The Meta Running
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August 16, 2008, 06:38:15 AM »
blonde removing the article is bad form imhumbleO snoops. just coz it aint getting glowing reviews and he does some corporate spiel you remove it.
Carls a decent writer and has had good reviews on here before, why should it be censored? Goes against the blonde ethos i reckon.
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