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[thetank]

Pot is 3,800 so lead for 2,500 and snap call either player unless BB pushes and initial raiser insta calls...

+1

[bolt pp]

be careful of a set... gotta bet this though, 2200 seems good to me.

nit


min bet then min rr his c/r.

 

[action man]

if we bet 2200 and he raises can anyone find a flop fold?

[Pab]

if we bet 2200 and he raises can anyone find a flop fold?

If i get check-raised im getting it in, if your beat its a cooler the way the hand played out and the stack sizes. If you get check - called id check back the turn a lot to avoid going bust when im beat and extract value on the river from Jx hands

[AlexMartin]

if we bet 2200 and he raises can anyone find a flop fold?

If i get check-raised im getting it in, if your beat its a cooler the way the hand played out and the stack sizes. If you get check - called id check back the turn a lot to avoid going bust when im beat and extract value on the river from Jx hands

the hands villain legitimately check raises with that we crush are what? AJ possibly. If villain is decent i dont think fold flop to a cr is bad. The only draw he could be spewing with is Q10 and we have two ladies reducing likelihood.

[jakally]

be careful of a set... gotta bet this though, 2200 seems good to me.

2200 is a good size normally, but it makes stack sizes a bit awkward for streets to follow.
About 3000 or just over leaves me a PSB if I get called and want to get it in on the turn.

[Royal Flush]

if we bet 2200 and he raises can anyone find a flop fold?

If i get check-raised im getting it in, if your beat its a cooler the way the hand played out and the stack sizes. If you get check - called id check back the turn a lot to avoid going bust when im beat and extract value on the river from Jx hands

the hands villain legitimately check raises with that we crush are what? AJ possibly. If villain is decent i dont think fold flop to a cr is bad. The only draw he could be spewing with is Q10 and we have two ladies reducing likelihood.

Air, its FTP afterall!

[Rookie (Rodney)]

if we bet 2200 and he raises can anyone find a flop fold?

If i get check-raised im getting it in, if your beat its a cooler the way the hand played out and the stack sizes. If you get check - called id check back the turn a lot to avoid going bust when im beat and extract value on the river from Jx hands

the hands villain legitimately check raises with that we crush are what? AJ possibly. If villain is decent i dont think fold flop to a cr is bad. The only draw he could be spewing with is Q10 and we have two ladies reducing likelihood.

Air, its FTP afterall!

Its the Party Super..

Anyway, checked to us, we bet 2175... SB folds, PFR makes it 5k straight. On us?

[MC]

Tricky one here...cos that bet seems strong...

The problem is he probably C-bets most, if not all of the hands we're beating. He might do this with TT or something but other than that...

Hands we're not beating? Well I think he bets KK or AA on this flop. It's a pretty safe board so it's fair to assume he might flat call with a set. Or he might make it 5k straight. J9s is a possibility here too. But then again this could be a pure bluff. You've bet quite weak (though I like the bet size), hence why he might be raising.

This is the problem with flat calling with QQ. You've got about the best flop you could that doesn't involve a Q.

I think it depends on how often you think he's bluffing here, if it's a reasonable amount then you can flat call to induce the bluff on the turn (though a bit risky should a K or A peel off) or you can shove...if it's barely ever, then perhaps you have to pass.

[Royal Flush]

oops didn't see it was party, i deffo re-raise pre on party.

Shove now, high five the dealer if you are in seat 1/10

[action man]

be careful of a set... gotta bet this though, 2200 seems good to me.

2200 is a good size normally, but it makes stack sizes a bit awkward for streets to follow.
About 3000 or just over leaves me a PSB if I get called and want to get it in on the turn.

yes but we want to keep our hand face down, weve shown weakness by flatting his raise pre so we need to continue this story, not POT the turn and exude strength.

[action man]

youve got yourself in a mess rooks, as played i dont think you can pass, i hate it but make a crying shove. You might just might bump into QQ or AJ here. although i fear villain has a cold set of 9's

[bolt pp]

Shove it in

[LeKnave]

urgh so nasty.  im probs getting it in though, if no reads on oppo i'd auto assume hes a party moron and has 66 or summit lol.

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: MC

This is the problem with flat calling with QQ. You've got about the best flop you could that doesn't involve a Q.

You know the real problem with flat calling this type of hand pre? You panic when the heat comes. Because you never know whether that heat is down to real strength or because you concealed your own strength. We've kinda asked for this situation and here it is. Let's say you did re-raise pre and only the ep villain called (which no doubt he would) you would love the flop. The flop action would be a bit of a drag, but you would still fist-pump shove anyway. So in that respect the sb is a bit of a red-herring. If he's hit 2-pair or something then whatever.

Now that the sb has actually folded it's hu with ep villain anyway. And so I'm playing it like it was just us from the off. I don't know what he's like as a player but he certainly has the chips to overplay a J. He can't put you on Q-Q so it's impossible to try and work out his strat vs you. I think pushing is fine because I think villain calls. Also I think the pot is big enough to just avoid the whole headache of a pushed A/K/J turn. I think the job you have done concealing your hand is good enough, your oppo is c-raising you after all. Either that or villain has a monster. But what else are you going to do? You can't fold I don't think, so let's push and see how bad the news is.