Satellite Strategy - When to Push?

[Laxie]

I played a live satellite the other night for the Killarney Festival.  For the past hour, I'd been sat at a drunken donkey's table.  The guy was calling with any 2 and knocking people out all over the shop.  He knocked out 5 of the final 15 all on his own.  As a result, I was unable to make many moves and was slowly being gutted by antes and blinds which were huge at this point. 

So we're down to the final table of 9 and 6 get seats to the festival.  Donkey knocked out the first guy, but then followed a self destruct mode I've never seen the likes of.  By the time he was finished in I watched the drunken donkey go from chip leader by a mile to out in 7th, leaving all of his chips to 2 other players and I wasn't one of them.

So 2 with mountains, 1 very comfortable player and 4 who are super short stacks, myself included.  I hoped one of the other shorts would make a move first and kept the head down waiting for a hand, but folded one I'm wondering now if I should have pushed with.  I was in EP and had A10 os.  It was the best I'd seen in nearly 2 hours at that stage.  I was just worried that I'd either walk into a monster or risk a coin flip when it might not be needed just yet.  I was down to 6 BB's, so not much of a threat if I did push.  So I folded.

By the time I saw another A, I was down to just 2 BB's and all but 1 at the table called (at the orders of one of the players) in hopes I'd be knocked out.  Had all but one beat by the river and was out in 7th...missing my seat.

Sooooooooo, when you're so close to winning that seat, but short stacked and not getting cards, is it an insta shove with any A or hang tight and hope someone gets knocked out before you do?

[TightEnd]

1. You have to take a chance a bit earlier, when your stack is big enough to worry people. Depends on your position relative to the huge stacks, but you have to do it with the A10 in the example you give probably.If you image counted for anything, it should be fantastic and rocky given you've hardly played a hand, Surely enough to get a random push through somewhere from LP to at least give you a further round of the blinds

2. the player who called for everyone to call is out of order., was the satellite TD'd? If so he should be watching final table and handing penalties out

[TightEnd]

p,s if you play sats a lot and want to improve in them, play double your money sngs online, Pretty good practice at flat payout comps and bubble/sat strategy

[Laxie]

TD was sat right there delighted to see a short stack all in saying, 'This could go on all night.'  Not saying he was necessarily targeting me, everyone just wanted to be done with it by 2am.

I managed to get a push through twice with drunken when he was taking people out all over the shop.  But after the second one, he said, 'I've been nice to you because you shared your crisps, but I can't keep letting you go.'  That's when I closed up shop.  Sigh.

[Royal Flush]

It depends when you had 6BB what the other short stacks had

[Boba Fett]

You need to try to target the other short stacks BBs shoving into them with any 2 in the right spots

[TheChipPrince]

IMO targeting the shorter weak stacks regardless of your cards is more important than finding a hand to shove into any medium to large stack, also try being aggressive 3 to 4 places off the bubble, if you can build a stack here you should coast through...

[Laxie]

It depends when you had 6BB what the other short stacks had

Short stacks had 5BB, 8BB and maybe 10BB.  

You need to try to target the other short stacks BBs shoving into them with any 2 in the right spots

Guy to my immediate left was one of the 2 big stacks at the table and was the one complaining most about getting home.  He was also the one who complained when the blinds didn't call my all in during an earlier hand (despite he folding), so I was worried he'd call with any two now.

Seat 1 - me
seat 2 - big stack
seat 3 - 8BB
seat 4 - 10BB
seat 5 - 5BB (during the time I had A10...he doubled up not long after that)
seat 6 - big stack (1/3 of the chips in play)
seat 7 - comfortable enough to not need to get stuck in.

Seats 4 and 5 seemed willing to gamble so I was just hoping they'd get knocked out before I was blinded out.  

[Laxie]

Sooooooooooo, with all of that information...do you just say feck it and take a chance or try to sit back and hope someone gets knocked out before you? 

[action man]

so you havent played a hand for ages? do you know how much respect you will get when you make a shove? The AT is such a simple shove giving the circumstaces.

[Simon Galloway]

so you havent played a hand for ages? do you know how much respect you will get when you make a shove? The AT is such a simple shove giving the circumstaces.

You are assuming people notice this.  Most don't.

[ShatnerPants]

It depends when you had 6BB what the other short stacks had

Short stacks had 5BB, 8BB and maybe 10BB.  

You need to try to target the other short stacks BBs shoving into them with any 2 in the right spots

Guy to my immediate left was one of the 2 big stacks at the table and was the one complaining most about getting home.  He was also the one who complained when the blinds didn't call my all in during an earlier hand (despite he folding), so I was worried he'd call with any two now.

Seat 1 - me
seat 2 - big stack
seat 3 - 8BB
seat 4 - 10BB
seat 5 - 5BB (during the time I had A10...he doubled up not long after that)
seat 6 - big stack (1/3 of the chips in play)
seat 7 - comfortable enough to not need to get stuck in.

Seats 4 and 5 seemed willing to gamble so I was just hoping they'd get knocked out before I was blinded out.  

I'm no live player, but have played several online satellites.

It looks like you're second shortest stack, even if there are other shorties around, so you can't afford to hang around waiting for someone to do your job for you.

If you had the 10xbb stack, with 3 shorter stacks than you, you can afford to sit back a bit.  But play into the 8xbb stack as often as possible imo.

[gatso]

It depends when you had 6BB what the other short stacks had

Short stacks had 5BB, 8BB and maybe 10BB.  

You need to try to target the other short stacks BBs shoving into them with any 2 in the right spots

Guy to my immediate left was one of the 2 big stacks at the table and was the one complaining most about getting home.  He was also the one who complained when the blinds didn't call my all in during an earlier hand (despite he folding), so I was worried he'd call with any two now.

Seat 1 - me
seat 2 - big stack
seat 3 - 8BB
seat 4 - 10BB
seat 5 - 5BB (during the time I had A10...he doubled up not long after that)
seat 6 - big stack (1/3 of the chips in play)
seat 7 - comfortable enough to not need to get stuck in.

Seats 4 and 5 seemed willing to gamble so I was just hoping they'd get knocked out before I was blinded out.  

if your read on the player on your left is correct and he will call your AI with ATC and assuming that by EP you are UTG or UTG+1 then this is a pass for me.

you have seat 2 calling you with ATC which makes it an instacall with ATC for seat 6 with 1/3 of the chips. AT against 2 random hands is slightly under 50/50 (reducing further if another player calls as well) and you have to rate your chances of winning a seat here at more than 50% if you pass as you only need 1 of the 3 other shorties to go out.

conclusion-pass

[action man]

so you havent played a hand for ages? do you know how much respect you will get when you make a shove? The AT is such a simple shove giving the circumstaces.

You are assuming people notice this.  Most don't.

i promise you that people will notice a woman not playing a hand for ages and then shoving.

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: action man

i promise you that people will notice a woman not playing a hand for ages and then shoving.

QFT