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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2008, 02:09:38 AM »

Why so much?

If your not planning to call a shove why not make it 16 and save yourself 8k...
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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2008, 02:17:04 AM »

So far, I'm cruising toward a big payday final table without having to put all my chips at risk. What I want to do is move all in, take down a 9k pot and go back to bullying the shorties. Don't you think there is some merit in playing it that way?


You have less than 20BB with 40+ players left, you are not cruising to the final!
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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2008, 02:22:42 AM »

Why so much?

If your not planning to call a shove why not make it 16 and save yourself 8k...

Because that was the size of raise I was making when stealing from the shorties. I did intend to call if he pushed. and as it turned out, that's what happened.

I was in great shape, the fact that he sucked out is irrelevant. I just wondered if that was the only way to play it.


I think TheChipPrince was spot on when he said "Actually Red, you 'know' this already, suffer a bad beat, or just having a bad spell confidence wise?"

I'm on about 130 tourneys without a final table and I think I'm a bit gun shy.





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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2008, 02:25:33 AM »

So far, I'm cruising toward a big payday final table without having to put all my chips at risk. What I want to do is move all in, take down a 9k pot and go back to bullying the shorties. Don't you think there is some merit in playing it that way?


You have less than 20BB with 40+ players left, you are not cruising to the final!

Agreed, but the rest of the table was very passive and I was picking up chips easily. I just knew if I did anything other than push or pass my AK in this spot, he would rr me all in.
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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2008, 02:29:46 AM »

So far, I'm cruising toward a big payday final table without having to put all my chips at risk. What I want to do is move all in, take down a 9k pot and go back to bullying the shorties. Don't you think there is some merit in playing it that way?


You have less than 20BB with 40+ players left, you are not cruising to the final!

Agreed, but the rest of the table was very passive and I was picking up chips easily. I just knew if I did anything other than push or pass my AK in this spot, he would rr me all in.

It's ul mate don't start playing scared on a baron spell, i know its hard but you are good enough to see past this and i am sure you have been on runs like this before.
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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2008, 02:34:51 AM »

You played perfectly by inducing a bad mistake from your opponent. This actually means you won at poker. This is good. Also the fact that you still shipped in the midst of a bad patch shows you have heart and big balls. This is good as well.
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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2008, 02:48:18 AM »

You played perfectly by inducing a bad mistake from your opponent. This actually means you won at poker.

Much more of this kind of winning and I'll be swapping my lappy for some overalls, but thanks for the ego massage.
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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2008, 04:00:01 AM »

Although your oppo made a mistake it would have been far easier for him to make 1 if you made it 15/16k if i was looking to re-shove you i don't do it when you 4x
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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2008, 04:05:25 AM »

AK is the absolute nuts Red.

Raise 2.5x then fist pump call.
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« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2008, 04:09:50 AM »

You've been raising to 4x to steal from the shorties so no reason to change that. Raising less is more likely to get a call and lead to difficult decisions on the flop.

You want it to look like a steal and it did so you got the perfect result.

Played perfectly. UL mate.
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« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2008, 09:56:57 AM »

Did his opponent make a mistake though ? Irrelevant of what his opponent did actually have(i can't see that red has posted what he had and i'm guessing the other guy had a worse ace due to red being "in great shape") if the oppo had AQ and red has been stealing a lot on the button then surely we are always shoving here and it's just a cooler ? What would be our range of shoving hands on a player who is regurlarly making a move in this position?
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« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2008, 10:12:30 AM »

He had AJ. I had been stealing a lot, but not from this player.

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« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2008, 12:24:31 PM »

w less than 20bbs its pretty bad to be raise/folding this stack. So when you pick up AK on the button its jackpot. Their 3bet/range is going to be so much wosre than AK so its pretty much a +EV spot.

Try not to turn down too many +EV spots for the sake of "tournament life", especially itm when your essentially freerolling.

Hope your confidence comes back Smiley

Just ran some numbers, and you have 51% equity against AQ+, QQ+ so please fistpump snap him off.
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« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2008, 02:20:48 PM »

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Did his opponent make a mistake though ?

Sure he did. Red has listed some of the factors that made him wary about even opening with A-K on the button. Such as, he is deep in the game and the table is pretty soft, so he doesn't need to take any big 6/4 gambles on. And the fact that he doesn't need to mess with someone with chips. His oppo is going to see things pretty much the same way, but still re-raises all his chips with A-J anyway. He gambled Red was stealing, and he gambled wrong. His only hope is that his move gives him a massive amount of FE, and his oppo will be forced to release even a genuine hand. We can't allow him to be right about that whatever the eventual result.
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« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2008, 03:12:55 PM »

definate raise from this position, no need to change what you were doing before as you want him to think your stealing, therefore his 3betting range is much larger than AK.. therefore definate +EV move.

Always calling reraise all in as his range is so large compared to what he puts your range on.
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