AK deep

[Royal Flush]

oppo had AJ that's just a cooler.

[AlexMartin]

I'm worried that a raise here will be seen as a button steal and induce an all in re-steal, forcing me to gamble on a 6/4 shot when I'm in such good shape, or B: He pushes with a small pp and I'm racing.

Do I want to be taking a 6/4 shot here?

christ, this cannot be real! must be having confidence issues. imo raise less to generate more fold equity in 50k blinds eyes, u raise to 25k he is never pushing as a bluff.

[MANTIS01]

oppo had AJ that's just a cooler.

It's not a cooler

[totalise]

Posted by: mondatoo

Did his opponent make a mistake though ?

Sure he did. Red has listed some of the factors that made him wary about even opening with A-K on the button. Such as, he is deep in the game and the table is pretty soft, so he doesn't need to take any big 6/4 gambles on. And the fact that he doesn't need to mess with someone with chips. His oppo is going to see things pretty much the same way, but still re-raises all his chips with A-J anyway. He gambled Red was stealing, and he gambled wrong. His only hope is that his move gives him a massive amount of FE, and his oppo will be forced to release even a genuine hand. We can't allow him to be right about that whatever the eventual result.

so what was AJ's mistake? not knowing that the button had a big hand? maybe he shoulda got in his time machine, gone forward a day, read blonde, and seen that the button had AK, but then if he did that, he might have folded, and given that he won the hand, that would have been a terrible mistake. Results orientated thinking works both ways!

[MC]

AK is just so strong in tournaments.

I'm raising it pre and I'm going with it if any resistance occurs preflop.

You played it spot on from the sounds of it....

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: mondatoo

Did his opponent make a mistake though ?

Sure he did. Red has listed some of the factors that made him wary about even opening with A-K on the button. Such as, he is deep in the game and the table is pretty soft, so he doesn't need to take any big 6/4 gambles on. And the fact that he doesn't need to mess with someone with chips. His oppo is going to see things pretty much the same way, but still re-raises all his chips with A-J anyway. He gambled Red was stealing, and he gambled wrong. His only hope is that his move gives him a massive amount of FE, and his oppo will be forced to release even a genuine hand. We can't allow him to be right about that whatever the eventual result.

so what was AJ's mistake? not knowing that the button had a big hand? maybe he shoulda got in his time machine, gone forward a day, read blonde, and seen that the button had AK, but then if he did that, he might have folded, and given that he won the hand, that would have been a terrible mistake. Results orientated thinking works both ways!

Relax about the mistake comment totalise. No need to go crazy with the futuristic travel stories to make the point you support the A-J push. I don't get why he needs to read Blonde to find out the result though? This is the guy who's there right? Anyway, he's cruising in the top 10 at a soft table, so pushing into a hand and a big stack could be seen as a mistake. Which it was.

[Royal Flush]

oppo had AJ that's just a cooler.

It's not a cooler

lol please stop

[AlexMartin]

Posted by: mondatoo

Did his opponent make a mistake though ?

Sure he did. Red has listed some of the factors that made him wary about even opening with A-K on the button. Such as, he is deep in the game and the table is pretty soft, so he doesn't need to take any big 6/4 gambles on. And the fact that he doesn't need to mess with someone with chips. His oppo is going to see things pretty much the same way, but still re-raises all his chips with A-J anyway. He gambled Red was stealing, and he gambled wrong. His only hope is that his move gives him a massive amount of FE, and his oppo will be forced to release even a genuine hand. We can't allow him to be right about that whatever the eventual result.

so what was AJ's mistake? not knowing that the button had a big hand? maybe he shoulda got in his time machine, gone forward a day, read blonde, and seen that the button had AK, but then if he did that, he might have folded, and given that he won the hand, that would have been a terrible mistake. Results orientated thinking works both ways!

Relax about the mistake comment totalise. No need to go crazy with the futuristic travel stories to make the point you support the A-J push. I don't get why he needs to read Blonde to find out the result though? This is the guy who's there right? Anyway, he's cruising in the top 10 at a soft table, so pushing into a hand and a big stack could be seen as a mistake. Which it was.

are you serious? blinds are 3k/6k and button opens and you have AJ. wow we really need a spirit level smilie.

[gribbo]

standard hand by both players, difficult to get ur money in any better just ul.

[action man]

tom you are not deep stacked or cruising to any final, i would be in "moving zone" looking to 3bet jam any LP raiser with a wide range of hands, looking to raise/call AJ 77+ from any position, AK on the button here is an absolute dream,

remember were playing against $150 players which should indicate a certain amount of awareness how to play. Your main objective in the hand is to get one of the blinds to push. I realy hate your 4x open here. Its just a scared raise and you may aswell push because nobody who is re-shoving on your 4x s passing to your shove anyway. Make it 16k and such a wide range shoves on you, you are dominating a lot of this range. When you 4x however AJ is at the top of the reshove range, as villains fold equity is smaller than if u make it 16k preflop.

As for mantis. This is a cooler no two ways about it. And Tom playing this way your absolutely spewing equity.

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: AlexMartin

are you serious? blinds are 3k/6k and button opens and you have AJ. wow we really need a spirit level smilie.

Posted by: action man

As for mantis. This is a cooler no two ways about it.

Deffo, this is something that needs to be considered. You're in a comfortable position at a soft table in what looks like a good tournament. If I'm pushing here I need more than 'guy raises on button' to think that's a good idea. If Tom has passed his button the last 3 hands and has always fist-pump shoved 3-betters with premium from this position then I would say pushing with A-J is a mistake. On the other hand if Tom has been loose from this position then pushing is standard. A-J man knows he isn't getting called by worse so he's essentially turning his hand into a bluff. So the focus on pushing because it's A-J isn't all that solid anyway because you could push with atc and hope for the same result. What's a mistake for sure is saying A-J is an auto-push when you know nothing other than the fact you have A-J. If e.g. Tom has been a rock then it isn't a cooler, it's just some a donk pushing because he has an A and a J.

[Royal Flush]

Tom would have to be such a bad player for his button raising range not to be behind AJ! Especially when he has 4x! Scared raise AJ is crushing that range.

[action man]

Posted by: AlexMartin

are you serious? blinds are 3k/6k and button opens and you have AJ. wow we really need a spirit level smilie.

Posted by: action man

As for mantis. This is a cooler no two ways about it.

Deffo, this is something that needs to be considered. You're in a comfortable position at a soft table in what looks like a good tournament. If I'm pushing here I need more than 'guy raises on button' to think that's a good idea. If Tom has passed his button the last 3 hands and has always fist-pump shoved 3-betters with premium from this position then I would say pushing with A-J is a mistake. On the other hand if Tom has been loose from this position then pushing is standard. A-J man knows he isn't getting called by worse so he's essentially turning his hand into a bluff. So the focus on pushing because it's A-J isn't all that solid anyway because you could push with atc and hope for the same result. What's a mistake for sure is saying A-J is an auto-push when you know nothing other than the fact you have A-J. If e.g. Tom has been a rock then it isn't a cooler, it's just some a donk pushing because he has an A and a J.

why is this? if im button, im raise calling any ace im opening KQs and any pair,
he is NOT turning the AJ into a bluff here, thats just nonsense

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: AlexMartin

are you serious? blinds are 3k/6k and button opens and you have AJ. wow we really need a spirit level smilie.

Posted by: action man

As for mantis. This is a cooler no two ways about it.

Deffo, this is something that needs to be considered. You're in a comfortable position at a soft table in what looks like a good tournament. If I'm pushing here I need more than 'guy raises on button' to think that's a good idea. If Tom has passed his button the last 3 hands and has always fist-pump shoved 3-betters with premium from this position then I would say pushing with A-J is a mistake. On the other hand if Tom has been loose from this position then pushing is standard. A-J man knows he isn't getting called by worse so he's essentially turning his hand into a bluff. So the focus on pushing because it's A-J isn't all that solid anyway because you could push with atc and hope for the same result. What's a mistake for sure is saying A-J is an auto-push when you know nothing other than the fact you have A-J. If e.g. Tom has been a rock then it isn't a cooler, it's just some a donk pushing because he has an A and a J.

why is this? if im button, im raise calling any ace im opening KQs and any pair,
he is NOT turning the AJ into a bluff here, thats just nonsense

Getting 100k in with any Ace here is leaky if not spewy action man.

[AlexMartin]

Posted by: AlexMartin

are you serious? blinds are 3k/6k and button opens and you have AJ. wow we really need a spirit level smilie.

Posted by: action man

As for mantis. This is a cooler no two ways about it.

Deffo, this is something that needs to be considered. You're in a comfortable position at a soft table in what looks like a good tournament. If I'm pushing here I need more than 'guy raises on button' to think that's a good idea. If Tom has passed his button the last 3 hands and has always fist-pump shoved 3-betters with premium from this position then I would say pushing with A-J is a mistake. On the other hand if Tom has been loose from this position then pushing is standard. A-J man knows he isn't getting called by worse so he's essentially turning his hand into a bluff. So the focus on pushing because it's A-J isn't all that solid anyway because you could push with atc and hope for the same result. What's a mistake for sure is saying A-J is an auto-push when you know nothing other than the fact you have A-J. If e.g. Tom has been a rock then it isn't a cooler, it's just some a donk pushing because he has an A and a J.

i like u mantis, sometimes u have decent and interesting slants on problems and always approach them in a novel way.

however, the above is utterly disgusting advice. this is end-game tournament shallow stack poker, not live deepstack ppl and stacks. we are not in a comfortable position ffs! we are in pushbot shortstack mode and AJ in the blinds should soooooooooooooooooooooooooo rarely be passed to a button open its ridiculous, fold equity or not. Your hand is so strong even a tight even if a tight button opens its a shove ALL DAY LONG.