Elimination hand at Thanet GUKPT

[MANTIS01]

Arguing about the merits of limping UTG is all rather pointless. As a poker player you want to be looking to find an appreciation of WHY villain limps in this very situation. If you can't do that you push with A-10 and we make a big mistake. The op very kindly provides some excellent history regarding the circumstances of this hand. From that we know how Simon is feeling. He's feeling like a big player, who fancies his chances, who has just been beaten down with an all-in straight in his eye. He's not liking that feeling. When he sees A-K he just auto-limps in the hope he can fist-pump shove all-in. And he does that because it will feel good. I guarantee you that he raises with A-K here if had just won that previous pot. No doubt.

So the lesson is to be wary of is Trumper entering the pot at all at this point. This should be warning enough not to ship with A-10. The guy is good enough to sit back and lick his wounds for a bit if he doesn't have genuine strength. That's why he just folded. He's not tilting and he's not hoping to see a cheap flop.

[Dubai]

What are u talking about?

You can break that down into 7 words.

"DONT SHOVE WHEN A NIT LIMPS UTG"

Stop writing 100 lines of pointless drivel

[snoopy1239]

That doesn't answer the question as to why you think it's bad.

What good is there from open limping?

Hey, didn't your mother ever tell you not to answer with a question with a question. 

Are you saying that never ever is an open limp an acceptable play?

[MANTIS01]

What are u talking about?

You can break that down into 7 words.

"DONT SHOVE WHEN A NIT LIMPS UTG"

Stop writing 100 lines of pointless drivel

You are funny

[Royal Flush]

That doesn't answer the question as to why you think it's bad.

What good is there from open limping?

Hey, didn't your mother ever tell you not to answer with a question with a question. 

Are you saying that never ever is an open limp an acceptable play?

I can't think of a single situation where a limp is better than a raise.

[AlexMartin]

That doesn't answer the question as to why you think it's bad.

What good is there from open limping?

Hey, didn't your mother ever tell you not to answer with a question with a question. 

Are you saying that never ever is an open limp an acceptable play?

I can't think of a single situation where a limp is better than a raise.

no way. deffo there are spots to open limp, normally if u dont think an oppo will call an open but might make a huge move to gather dead chips pre.

[Royal Flush]

That doesn't answer the question as to why you think it's bad.

What good is there from open limping?

Hey, didn't your mother ever tell you not to answer with a question with a question. 

Are you saying that never ever is an open limp an acceptable play?

I can't think of a single situation where a limp is better than a raise.

no way. deffo there are spots to open limp, normally if u dont think an oppo will call an open but might make a huge move to gather dead chips pre.

Example?

[action man]

thing is alex a player who will make a big move to gather chips pre after a limper is the player who will 3b jam over your open. The risk of limping a big hand and geting 6 callers is not outweighed by the fact some loon might jam 87o and race against your AK. blind on blind is another matter, but you have to be sure of your man.

[MANTIS01]

That doesn't answer the question as to why you think it's bad.

What good is there from open limping?

Hey, didn't your mother ever tell you not to answer with a question with a question. 

Are you saying that never ever is an open limp an acceptable play?

I can't think of a single situation where a limp is better than a raise.

no way. deffo there are spots to open limp, normally if u dont think an oppo will call an open but might make a huge move to gather dead chips pre.

Example?

This hand

[Royal Flush]

That doesn't answer the question as to why you think it's bad.

What good is there from open limping?

Hey, didn't your mother ever tell you not to answer with a question with a question. 

Are you saying that never ever is an open limp an acceptable play?

I can't think of a single situation where a limp is better than a raise.

no way. deffo there are spots to open limp, normally if u dont think an oppo will call an open but might make a huge move to gather dead chips pre.

Example?

This hand

Someone might spaz out if you raise

[snoopy1239]

That doesn't answer the question as to why you think it's bad.

What good is there from open limping?

Hey, didn't your mother ever tell you not to answer with a question with a question. 

Are you saying that never ever is an open limp an acceptable play?

I can't think of a single situation where a limp is better than a raise.

no way. deffo there are spots to open limp, normally if u dont think an oppo will call an open but might make a huge move to gather dead chips pre.

Example?

This hand

Someone might spaz out if you raise

I think the stack sizes are important here. There were a number of stacks sizes (like Stu's) that would be pot committed if they raised and a limper reraised. Stu perhaps over analysed the situation, but there were a few players at the table who probably wouldn't have given the utg limp a second thought and also raised (and subsequently be committed) with a dominated hand.

[DTD-ACES]

LOL

Clearly i am not on the level of thinking of Flushy or Dubai.

Mantis got closest to the truth.

First of all you have to remember i have played for 14 years , don't have an A B C game and have  made 30 + finals in excess of £500 buy in so do not react to standard situations the same way as some players or ever feel any pressure. Eg i dont go on tilt or let my emotions be effected by the preceeding hand.

Having returned day 2 with 33,000 chips , just over average i was in no rush and getting a feel for the table. The hand was not a case of limp , shove and call . I limped , there was one flat call , Stu raised to 10,000 , i reraised all in and he called.

The reason i limped utg with AK was exactly because most players would assume having seen me fold the hand before that i am easy to push off a hand when in fact i was setting up the events that unfolded.

The second hand with TT was simple to play , i figured the raiser for a range of hands and he would have to call preflop if i moved in , depending on the texture of the flop and my read on his reaction to it would determine whether i push or not. Sometimes being first to act is stronger than last.

I am probably old school compared to most players but i prefer to play with strategy reads and instinct than maths and pressure.

Cheers

ACES

[Dubai]

Haha nice one Simon.

All i meant is i think you are limping utg and folding to a raise or shove here approximately 0% of the time, if im wrong fair enough

[tikay]

LOL

Clearly i am not on the level of thinking of Flushy or Dubai.

Mantis got closest to the truth.

First of all you have to remember i have played for 14 years , don't have an A B C game and have  made 30 + finals in excess of £500 buy in so do not react to standard situations the same way as some players or ever feel any pressure. Eg i dont go on tilt or let my emotions be effected by the preceeding hand.

Having returned day 2 with 33,000 chips , just over average i was in no rush and getting a feel for the table. The hand was not a case of limp , shove and call . I limped , there was one flat call , Stu raised to 10,000 , i reraised all in and he called.

The reason i limped utg with AK was exactly because most players would assume having seen me fold the hand before that i am easy to push off a hand when in fact i was setting up the events that unfolded.

The second hand with TT was simple to play , i figured the raiser for a range of hands and he would have to call preflop if i moved in , depending on the texture of the flop and my read on his reaction to it would determine whether i push or not. Sometimes being first to act is stronger than last.

I am probably old school compared to most players but i prefer to play with strategy reads and instinct than maths and pressure.

Cheers

ACES

Which is why I'm so pleased to have had the opportunity to Stake you, Simon.

Let the boys have their fun, but when it comes to a deep knowledge of the game, & almost unparalled record of success, you've been there, seen it, & done it. That's all that needs to be said.

Post more please, you have much to offer this Board.

[Royal Flush]

Let the boys have their fun, but when it comes to a deep knowledge of the game, & almost unparalled record of success, you've been there, seen it, & done it. That's all that needs to be said.

Do you think Simon has played more comps than i have? Do you think Simon has won more comps than i have?

Assuming Simon has played 1 tournament every day for his 14years of playing i would have more experience....

Not having a go here it's just incorrect to assume Simon has more experience than myself or Dave.