Easy fold or way too tight?

[EvilPie]

Playing in the IPO thing in Dublin. Blinds are 200/400 and I've got about 22k.

Early position raises up to 1100, next position flat calls.

I look down at AKo so repop to 4200. It folds round to the BB who announces raise then puts 4000 in.

Dealer points out that it's already been reraised so he has to put in minimum of 8400. He says "Oh sorry, I'll go all in then".

Initial raisers pass and it's up to me. I get a chip count and if I call and lose I'm down to 1600. Win and I'm all set for a good stab at the rest of the day.

I've got no reads on the all in guy as he's only just got to the table. I think about it for ages then decide that there will be better spots later and make the pass.

Am I tight as a gnats chuff or did this pass not require any thought?

[relaedgc]

Out of curiosity, what are the stacks? Having only put in 4k, he ought to have been held to the minimum.

[Cf]

This dealer isn't very good.

Firstly, this raise needs to be held to the minimum.

Secondly, the minimum is not 8400, it's 8300.

As for the fold, i'd probably fold here as well.

[gatso]

Secondly, the minimum is not 8400, it's 8300.

err, no it's not. it's either 7300 or 8400 depending on whether they're playing proper rules or crappy old rules but never 8300

[jakally]

This dealer isn't very good.

Firstly, this raise needs to be held to the minimum.

Secondly, the minimum is not 8400, it's 8300.

As for the fold, i'd probably fold here as well.

 

[kinboshi]

This dealer isn't very good.

Firstly, this raise needs to be held to the minimum.

Secondly, the minimum is not 8400, it's 8300.

As for the fold, i'd probably fold here as well.

 

Pot, kettle - but he's right!

[EvilPie]

Minimum definitely 8400. Irish rules apparently.

I thought about the rule check but to be fair he said raise then put some chips in that weren't more than mine. I just assumed that this would act as his call then he gets to announce his raise which he did.

Bit of a loophole but not a major problem here for me. tbh I prefer to be facing an all in to a min raise here anyway. I don't want to committ half my stack hoping to see an ace or king when I could be drawing dead if I hit.

If he min raises the choice is then all in or fold anyway and the decision would be just as difficult.

relaedgc. The stacks are approx 20k each.

Does anyone make the call?

[TightEnd]

I fold

I'm a bit intrigued by the "oh sorry I'll go all in then" comment. Firstly I think its an incorrect ruling in most venues but secondly as to whether its a "moody" by the player to cover up a mistake or a real sign of strength

With no reads, I'll wait for a better spot

[EvilPie]

I fold

I'm a bit intrigued by the "oh sorry I'll go all in then" comment. Firstly I think its an incorrect ruling in most venues but secondly as to whether its a "moody" by the player to cover up a mistake or a real sign of strength

With no reads, I'll wait for a better spot

Don't think it was a moody.

He'd only just got to the table and was still stacking his chips out of his tray. He obviously hadn't seen my reraise so just announced raise then threw his chips in.

I took this as a possible JJ / QQ / AK because KK / AA may have stopped to think for a bit longer and had a more careful look.

Once he realises that there's already been a 4 bet and goes all in I can't imagine that I'm up against anything that I'm going to be pleased to see.

I still assume that at best I'm split pot or 50 50.

[gatso]

I'm probably passing to a cold 4 bet all-in

as for the ruling on the raise, I'm thinking the dealer has got it right here. if the player declares raise and then puts in an amount between a call and a min raise then it has to go as a min raise.

however it is perfectly correct to announce raise, then put in the call amount, then add your raise on top to whatever level you want. the raise (if the amount is not verbally declared) has to be put in as one movenent, the call amount however doesn't as you cannot string call.

in this case he's declared raise and put in 4 of the 4.2k required to call. he can now go back to his stack for the other 200 before putting in his raise. dealer now needlessly tells him the min raise amount before the player legally declares allin

[gribbo]

Hi,
    Why re-raise/squeeze with ak then fold to an all in shove? You would be better off re raising the guy with any two cards if you are gona fold to his shove imo, you are basically turning your hand into a bluff.

If you are playing this deep and with such a strong hand u should be looking to flat call and play a flop or if you are going to re raise the guy have an idea of what you are going to do if he shoves.

Also what position where u in? Where u  in position or was it from the blinds?

I would call here in your position are you not also getting under 2.5 to 1 on the call? If u win u are in good shape for rest of tournie?

[Cf]

I'm probably passing to a cold 4 bet all-in

as for the ruling on the raise, I'm thinking the dealer has got it right here. if the player declares raise and then puts in an amount between a call and a min raise then it has to go as a min raise.

however it is perfectly correct to announce raise, then put in the call amount, then add your raise on top to whatever level you want. the raise (if the amount is not verbally declared) has to be put in as one movenent, the call amount however doesn't as you cannot string call.

in this case he's declared raise and put in 4 of the 4.2k required to call. he can now go back to his stack for the other 200 before putting in his raise. dealer now needlessly tells him the min raise amount before the player legally declares allin

Actually, I agree with this. As he's announced raise the first movement is permitted to be a call and since it's closer to the call amount than the raise amount it can be considered the call movement.

As for the raise amount. Why not 8300? A raise needs to be as big as the previous raise.

1100 -> 4200 = a raise of 3100
4200 + 3100 = 8300

[EvilPie]

I'm probably passing to a cold 4 bet all-in

as for the ruling on the raise, I'm thinking the dealer has got it right here. if the player declares raise and then puts in an amount between a call and a min raise then it has to go as a min raise.

however it is perfectly correct to announce raise, then put in the call amount, then add your raise on top to whatever level you want. the raise (if the amount is not verbally declared) has to be put in as one movenent, the call amount however doesn't as you cannot string call.

in this case he's declared raise and put in 4 of the 4.2k required to call. he can now go back to his stack for the other 200 before putting in his raise. dealer now needlessly tells him the min raise amount before the player legally declares allin

Actually, I agree with this. As he's announced raise the first movement is permitted to be a call and since it's closer to the call amount than the raise amount it can be considered the call movement.

As for the raise amount. Why not 8300? A raise needs to be as big as the previous raise.

1100 -> 4200 = a raise of 3100
4200 + 3100 = 8300

level?

And even without taking in to account your slightly dubious maths they have a rule in Ireland that the raise has to equal the previous bet, not the previous raise.

This had already been checked and confirmed with the TD in a previous hand so is definitely correct for this particular tournament.

[Cf]

Fair enough

And lol, that maths is shocking. I want shooting for that...

[action man]

if one of your mates was knocked out and wanting a drinking buddy, call. if they are all still in fold. In this comp, its as simple as that imo