Ruling please

[Tractor]

Well i wasnt playing so who could it of been, Wino or Pickles is my guess?
Cant see i time penalty working, i would have ruled the same as you Rich.

[WarBwastard]

Well i wasnt playing so who could it of been, Wino or Pickles is my guess?
Cant see i time penalty working, i would have ruled the same as you Rich.

Correct 

[Cf]

Where does all this talk of "can only call or fold for the rest of the hand" come from?

My view: Hand not dead and will play out as normal. Time penalty to be imposed after the hand. Others have already quoted the appropriate rules so I won't repeat

[TightEnd]

Where does all this talk of "can only call or fold for the rest of the hand" come from?

It is to guard against those that do this is an "angle-shoot", or for example bet out of turn....another case where the offending player is held to check call

The hand plays on but by not being able to make action for the rest of the hand he loses further advantage from the "angle" if indeed it was one

[Cf]

Where does all this talk of "can only call or fold for the rest of the hand" come from?

It is to guard against those that do this is an "angle-shoot", or for example bet out of turn....another case where the offending player is held to check call

The hand plays on but by not being able to make action for the rest of the hand he loses further advantage from the "angle" if indeed it was one

What rules say this and where?

Robert's Rules (worded slightly differently than the TDA rules quoted) say:

22. Showing cards from a live hand during the action injures the rights of other players still competing in an event, who wish to see contestants eliminated. A player in a multihanded pot may not show any cards during a deal. Heads-up, a player may not show any cards unless the event has only two remaining players, or is winner-take-all. If a player deliberately shows a card, the player may be penalized (but his hand will not be ruled dead). Verbally stating one’s hand during the play may be penalized.


Similar during the betting out of turn example, a penalty may be imposed after the hand. The only penalty during the hand is that your action is binding unless there's aggressive action. There's nothing written about only being allowed to check/call.

[TightEnd]

It is the procedure followed in the G casino in which I play, and a few others I am aware of

[77dave]

How many times have people seen a time penalt give in a comp in the UK?

[Royal Flush]

How many times have people seen a time penalt give in a comp in the UK?

Someone was given one in the rendezvous he kicked up such a fuss that he ended up getting disqualified, lol

[Ironside]

at the wsope i exposed my hand after i thought i had won a pot
but i hadnt noticed a player had called my bet

ruling was sought

i was allowed to call or fold in future rounds of betting but not to raise

my oppo was kind enough to expose his hand too having seen my hand he knew if he had hit i wouldnt of been calling anyway and if he didnt he couldnt bluff me off the hand

[celtic]

How many times have people seen a time penalt give in a comp in the UK?

happened at equal chance two weeks.

[gatso]

Where does all this talk of "can only call or fold for the rest of the hand" come from?

It is to guard against those that do this is an "angle-shoot", or for example bet out of turn....another case where the offending player is held to check call

The hand plays on but by not being able to make action for the rest of the hand he loses further advantage from the "angle" if indeed it was one

this is nonsense tbh. by not allowing the player to make positive action you are penalising the innocent player here as you are taking away their ability to make a raise for the duration of the pot

[gatso]

How many times have people seen a time penalt give in a comp in the UK?

happened at equal chance two weeks.

regularly at gutshot, never in a casino

[TightEnd]

Where does all this talk of "can only call or fold for the rest of the hand" come from?

It is to guard against those that do this is an "angle-shoot", or for example bet out of turn....another case where the offending player is held to check call

The hand plays on but by not being able to make action for the rest of the hand he loses further advantage from the "angle" if indeed it was one

this is nonsense tbh. by not allowing the player to make positive action you are penalising the innocent player here as you are taking away their ability to make a raise for the duration of the pot

? the innocent player can raise,do what he likes

the player who has exposed his cards is held to check/call

[Cf]

Where does all this talk of "can only call or fold for the rest of the hand" come from?

It is to guard against those that do this is an "angle-shoot", or for example bet out of turn....another case where the offending player is held to check call

The hand plays on but by not being able to make action for the rest of the hand he loses further advantage from the "angle" if indeed it was one

this is nonsense tbh. by not allowing the player to make positive action you are penalising the innocent player here as you are taking away their ability to make a raise for the duration of the pot

? the innocent player can raise,do what he likes

the player who has exposed his cards is held to check/call

How can he raise when the other person can't bet/raise? Assuming it's heads up there'll be at most 1 bet per round.

People exposing cards should be punished, but the punishment laid down in the rules is a penalty after the hand - hand dead, check/call, harm the other players.

As an example:

Board reads A269Q - no flushes

Player A holds AA
Player B holds QQ

Player A leads out on the river
Player B for whatever reason exposes QQ
If hand is dead then Player A has won no further money
If can only check/call then Player A only wins the bet which player B will call
If he can raise then Player A stands to make more money, as in this example the QQ will surely raise.

[TightEnd]

well its not necessarily heads up....

if it is heads up the innocent player can bet.

Don't shoot the messenger. It is the rule enforced in Grosvenors, well at leastr some Grosvenors