What now peeps?

[Pyso]

£0.50/£1 cash game at DTD

 - some background first if I may, as I always feel it is relevant.

I am in the middle of a brutal downswing, both live and online, tournament and cash. My bankroll and confidence have taken a battering. I am getting sick of people flopping flushes and straights and hitting their gutshots on the river. I have just had the night from hell the night before online - so bad I am seriously thinking of packing in online poker.

Anyway, you get the drift, we've all been here before.

I have played the tournament before this and suffered four consecutive suckouts on the river to knock me out after being in a good chip position for once. But no way am I on tilt. I feel good, positive even.

Anyway, the hand:

I have requested the dealer that I top up by £40 to £100 just before I look at my cards under the gun.

I feel great that I have done so as I see two Aces.

I raise to £4 and get four callers. Not ideal. I would normally raise more, but it's been a tight table.

Flop is  ,  , 

Again, not a great flop and I'm sensing problems.

Small blind (who has only just sat down) checks, big blind bets £10.

I raise to £30.

Folded to small blind who now pushes all in for £77.

Big blind folds reluctantly.

I have played with oppo before. He is a fish who justifies a lot of very loose calls with the usual donkey justification of 'implied odds' regardless of stack size and "I'm not passing now with what's in the pot" regardless of whether his maths is correct as he hits his gutshot. In fact he's just done it to some poor sod who has walked off shaking his head at his terrible call.

We have history in the sense that he always sucks out on me and something else about him winds me up, although I can't put my finger on it. I think it's the fact that he thinks he's a lot better player than he is.

Anyway, the pot is £133 and it's £47 to call with my aces.

I go through his range; he is the sort to push a flush and straight draw. I fear he has the straight, mainly because it would be 'typical' given my current form and history with oppo. He could have two pair or a set. He could have tptk and a flush draw.

But a made hand seems most likely given his shove over a lead-out and re-raise.

I have the Ace of hearts so have (admittedly long-shot) odds for a flush. Anyway, given the pot odds (2.8 to 1), can I call here with two cards to come or do I lay it down?

Thanks.

[Pyso]

Obviously if I knew for a fact he had flopped a straight I would pass (92% dog), but can I make the call given the range he might be pushing with?

I just want to know if there is any justification for calling as played. I purposely haven't put it through poker stove, I just wanted peoples' honest response as to what they would probably do, imagining the scenario I have described.

[mondatoo]

SB check re raise shoves he isn't on a draw here as they only draw i would think he'd possibly do this with is the nut draw which we no he can't have so it's a definite fold for me.Also though, i don't like the raise at all with that many people in the hand i defintly think we should just be flat calling here as we can definitly expect to be ahead of a lot of BB's range here.If we do just flat call and the sb puts in a raise i'm pretty sure u would fold but since u have so much invested you seem to be trying to convince yourself that it's a viable call,imo it's a definite fold.

Also imo you seem like you could do with a break from the game for a week or so,i've been in that same place we're everything seems to be going against you but i'm pretty sure you will be part of your own problem your current mindset means it's impossible to even play near optimally and you will most likely be getting a fair few more mariginal decisions wrong than you would be normally

[Horneris]

sigh @ definite fold Mondatoo.

Snap this £47 and put your hand in the air when he has top pair, middle pair or bottom pair with a straight draw, or just a heart draw that he misses.

Its 50p/£1 live cash ffs.

[Longy]

Sigh and call imo. I mean the c/r looks super strong but getting close 3 to 1, I can't fold aces against a player like this.

Mond has a point about the raise on the flop, in that if you are going to raise you are going to have to play for stacks imo.

Getting flushes beaten by gutshots is pretty brutal, how many straight flushes have they hit against you?

[jakally]

Once you get 4 callers and that flop, you have got to proceed with a bit of caution.
The problem with the flop raise is that it pretty much commits you against anyone sitting with less than a full stack (like the guy who pushes).

Aces UTG in £0.50 / £1 live cash can be a tricky hand to play.

If there are aggro players on the table who are raising / reraising for fun, then a normal raise is fine.
Typically, you are just going to get a bunch of callers, and a playing a flop out of position without a clue where you are.

In some circumstances it is better to raise more or limp reraise.

As it stands, reluctant call.

[bolt pp]

ul, call

"I raise to £4 and get four callers, not ideal" late contender for understatement of the year!!!

[Pyso]

Thanks for the replies.

On reflection I actually got three callers (I must have included myself to get four) but it's tantamount to the same thing. Not ideal, as I said...

I reckon from now on if I get Aces UTG I'm just going to raise big and if no one calls then so be it.

Obviously you all know I called and that he had 7,8 for the flopped straight.

And yes Longy I have been running super bad but sorry my descriptions were a little misleading. No one has been rivering straight flushes on me, I was just generalising about opponents flopping flushes and straights when I have two pair and over pairs and the like.

I did feel when i re-raised that it had the potential to backfire and it sure did.

Oh well.

[mondatoo]

Thanks for the replies.

On reflection I actually got three callers (I must have included myself to get four) but it's tantamount to the same thing. Not ideal, as I said...

I reckon from now on if I get Aces UTG I'm just going to raise big and if no one calls then so be it.

Obviously you all know I called and that he had 7,8 for the flopped straight.

And yes Longy I have been running super bad but sorry my descriptions were a little misleading. No one has been rivering straight flushes on me, I was just generalising about opponents flopping flushes and straights when I have two pair and over pairs and the like.

I did feel when i re-raised that it had the potential to backfire and it sure did.

Oh well.

Except horneris that is 

Just kidding,we are pretty much commited here once we raise which is why i don't like the raise at all,i just don't think we are ahead here very often.

[david3103]

How much do you need to raise at this level with AA?

My last trip to DTD I got  , made it £5 UTG and got 6 callers...
(it was the day the blondes were there for a bash btw)

the rest of the hand would cost me 50p so I'll save it

[bolt pp]

How much do you need to raise at this level with AA?

My last trip to DTD I got  , made it £5 UTG and got 6 callers...
(it was the day the blondes were there for a bash btw)

the rest of the hand would cost me 50p so I'll save it

limp re-raise, would be kinda obvious but for the fact it's live and you can get away wth most shit like this without anyone really paying attention(at £0.50/1 anyway)

ALWAYS gonna get multi-way action live at this level and then have to sit there looking at the flop knowing 93 prolly outflopped you!!!

[david3103]

How much do you need to raise at this level with AA?

My last trip to DTD I got  , made it £5 UTG and got 6 callers...
(it was the day the blondes were there for a bash btw)

the rest of the hand would cost me 50p so I'll save it

limp re-raise, would be kinda obvious but for the fact it's live and you can get away wth most shit like this without anyone really paying attention(at £0.50/1 anyway)

ALWAYS gonna get multi-way action live at this level and then have to sit there looking at the flop knowing 93 prolly outflopped you!!!

so I limp and pray for a raiser behind me?

i swore I'd never do that again... but I'll take it as being advice for these specific stakes live?

[bolt pp]

How much do you need to raise at this level with AA?

My last trip to DTD I got  , made it £5 UTG and got 6 callers...
(it was the day the blondes were there for a bash btw)

the rest of the hand would cost me 50p so I'll save it

limp re-raise, would be kinda obvious but for the fact it's live and you can get away wth most shit like this without anyone really paying attention(at £0.50/1 anyway)

ALWAYS gonna get multi-way action live at this level and then have to sit there looking at the flop knowing 93 prolly outflopped you!!!

so I limp and pray for a raiser behind me?

i swore I'd never do that again... but I'll take it as being advice for these specific stakes live?

lol, it's sort of table dependent and what % of hands are being raised pre and whether or not you fancy it, theres a conditional factor to it in that if you do come across a game where a lot of hands are being limped pre or(rarely) you find the table is half sensible then it really wouldnt be optimal as the vast % of the time you're in a multi way limped pot pre if the table is playing like the former or taking down a £8-10 pre if the table is the latter, that being said a decent live game at that level is a rarity so that's not too much of a concern, if it's a loose shit game with a lot of raised pots then go for it(i dont know about praying though, depends what religion you are, some are better than others) if there are too many unraised pots pre then bang it up there.

(yes this is for LIVE poker only)

[maldini32]

Bolt i assume you play poker. What do u play (cash/tournaments) and what stakes?

[bolt pp]

Bolt i assume you play poker. What do u play (cash/tournaments) and what stakes?

i can tell you what religions i was refering to as being better than others if that helps?