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« on: December 17, 2008, 01:25:09 PM »

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Button 10k

Small Blind 45k

BB, Me 10k

payouts roughly 150/90/60

blinds 400-800

Button, active player pushes first hand of new level from button. Small blind folds.

Although the button is an active player he has been far tighter than normal on the final as there are points at stake in a league competition, which he is leading.

BB looks at 

call or fold?
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2008, 01:28:24 PM »

Insta call
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2008, 01:30:53 PM »

I would call faster than Bolt did.
But you called and lost?
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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2008, 01:31:42 PM »

I would call faster than Bolt did.
But you called and lost?


doesn't matter what happened

interested in the decision, ranges etc

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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2008, 01:32:44 PM »

if he has been playing tight then i probably fold here.
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2008, 01:38:18 PM »

still call. say his range should be atc, now its gonna be atpc, which A9s crushes.
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2008, 01:58:10 PM »

still call. say his range should be atc, now its gonna be atpc, which A9s crushes.

I think button pushes far from atc cards left here with 12 BB's.  Borderline, he knows how tight you are generally accepted to be, have you been playing with that image?  The tighter youve been playing, the more this becomes a call surely?
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2008, 02:03:00 PM »

still call. say his range should be atc, now its gonna be atpc, which A9s crushes.

I think button pushes far from atc cards left here with 12 BB's.  Borderline, he knows how tight you are generally accepted to be, have you been playing with that image?  The tighter youve been playing, the more this becomes a call surely?


player knows me very well so will be aware there is a move or two when required. I have been pushing atc for several rounds shortish stacked and had to show twice, outdrawing twice when called. Shade fortunate to get down to 3 handed.
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2008, 02:04:33 PM »

How active has the big stack been on his button?

The other short stack gets a free shot at being first in to nick your BB every orbit. You only get a shot at his if the big stack folds his button. The less often the big stack folds his button, the more you should be inclined to call this, as you are at a continual disadvantage against him.
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2008, 02:06:20 PM »

How active has the big stack been on his button?



Active, as would be expected.
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2008, 02:08:37 PM »

How active has the big stack been on his button?



Active, as would be expected.

Then it's a snap for me - if you think you're likely to be anywhere near 50/50 you have to take these chances in this situation.
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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2008, 06:15:44 PM »

call cos u have a flush draw
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2008, 06:26:21 PM »

tbh, I dont think the button shoves any 2 here, especially as he knows you and he also knows that as you have a similar stack to him you will be looking to take a shot with any ace ... He is also aware that the big stack will be raising into your big blind if he doesnt, so I would have to put him on a mid pair 0r a decent ace (which would be crushing you) to be shoving here, he doesnt need to take a stab  ... this is of course taking into consideration the added factor of the points at stake.
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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2008, 07:18:07 PM »

I think you need to think about how this game is panning out before you look at his range. Tighty says...I have been pushing atc for several rounds, and that the button has been...Active, as would be expected. So this poker game has descended into a bit of a shove monkey fest, and so you should play accordingly. The distance between you two and the leader, along with your small chips, and the low money means calling with the A-9 in the current climate of shoving light (because of those things) is very acceptable imo. Also both cards are of the suit of clubs.

Alternatively you can imagine your oppo's range is tighter than it actually is (why villain's shove is a pretty effective bet), fold, and wait for a better spot. Which needs to come pretty damn quick imo. It is obv you will run into a hand sometimes but there will be two clubs on the flop anyway.
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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2008, 07:56:22 PM »

My thinking is that he isnt shoving with filth here, because he knows tighty is going to call with pretty much any ace or paint.

He knows this so elects to shove rather than make a standard raise, which would probably bring the big stack in as well, and he doesnt want that.
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