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Interesting blind vs blind situation
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December 17, 2008, 04:02:34 PM »
Don't have the hh right now but I'll explain best I can. A new player joins the table to my right and I have a note on him stating that he attempts to steal blinds whenever he get the chance in late position. I'm not one for protecting blinds with marginal hands too much but due to this note I adjusted my play a little.
1/2 NLH, 8 players. I have approb $350 at table, villain has $200ish. Action is folded round to villain in sb who raises to $8 (as expected) and I look down and see
. I reraise to $24, villain calls. Flop comes
, villain checks, I bet $48, villain insta shaoves.
Your views on how I played it pre and what to do next please? I'll let you know how the hand played out after some discussion.
cheers
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December 17, 2008, 05:31:58 PM »
Reraising Q-J is pre is just bad. Better hands never fold and worse hands never call.
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Re: Interesting blind vs blind situation
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December 17, 2008, 06:04:29 PM »
Do u have any notes about his post flop play? I don't mind the re raise pre this is surely an easy call when he shoves? Flush draw ftw
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Re: Interesting blind vs blind situation
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December 17, 2008, 06:33:30 PM »
Quote from: George2Loose on December 17, 2008, 06:04:29 PM
Do u have any notes about his post flop play? I don't mind the re raise pre this is surely an easy call when he shoves? Flush draw ftw
From what I've seen of him he is a very aggressive player but I haven't seen him show down many hands.
Noflopshomer, do you really think reraising a player who I have noticed steal blinds at nearly every opportunity pre is that bad a play? I mean I got a hand that has some really good potential and I also got position.
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Re: Interesting blind vs blind situation
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December 17, 2008, 06:55:21 PM »
I personally would lean towards flatting preflop with the QJ in this spot, because you have position and its flop worthy, and as homer says all the hands you top-pair-dominate will get folded out by that reraise. My standard is to flat and call him down if I think he will double or triple barrel me with nothing given your read, obviously taking however the board changes into consideration. Now if it was a complete station, Id play it like you did and puke when he shoves.
As for as played, I don't really like you potting the flop here because I cant see many hands you beat giving you action. He is never playing JJ, TT, QT like this and thats the only made hands you beat unless he is a complete spanner. The only likely hand you are beating is the flush draw but I think you have folded a lot of those combinations out with your reraise preflop. I think I'm folding without a better read on my opponent because even though I'm struggling to put him on a hand here, I certainly cant put him on one I beat.
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December 17, 2008, 07:32:23 PM »
I actually dont mind the reraise pre at all. You're expecting to take the pot down and his dead money. If not, you have a hand that plays well on a lot of flops and even when you miss you're likely to take the hand down with a second barrel.
However, I don't like the lead for full pot on the flop. I think you should bet less. $36 is better.
As played I think you have to call here. Just try and fade his 5/6/7 of hearts combo
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Re: Interesting blind vs blind situation
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Quote from: DaveShoelace on December 17, 2008, 06:55:21 PM
I personally would lean towards flatting preflop with the QJ in this spot, because you have position and its flop worthy, and as homer says all the hands you top-pair-dominate will get folded out by that reraise. My standard is to flat and call him down if I think he will double or triple barrel me with nothing given your read, obviously taking however the board changes into consideration. Now if it was a complete station, Id play it like you did and puke when he shoves.
As for as played, I don't really like you potting the flop here because I cant see many hands you beat giving you action. He is never playing JJ, TT, QT like this and thats the only made hands you beat unless he is a complete spanner. The only likely hand you are beating is the flush draw but I think you have folded a lot of those combinations out with your reraise preflop. I think I'm folding without a better read on my opponent because even though I'm struggling to put him on a hand here, I certainly cant put him on one I beat.
Actually I just did the maths based on the range I gave him (based on very little info) and you probably do have to call him when he shoves even though I think he is ahead a lot of the time just because of how much is in the pot. I'm probably actually giving your opponent a little too much credit here but its certainly not a snap call imo.
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Re: Interesting blind vs blind situation
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December 17, 2008, 09:44:17 PM »
Thanks for all the responses. Obviously it's quite a tricky hand and a marginal decision to say the least. I still like my pre flop raise as I feel his range is extremely wide here. On the flop I still felt that I had the best hand against this player which is why I bet the pot. I agree that maybe I should have raised slightly less though. I found it quite tough to put him on a hand after he shoved but I knew he was an aggressive player and had the feeling he wanted to win the pot no matter what.
It wasn't a snap call by any means, I used up all the time I could analysing the hand and eventually made the call. He had
and I won the pot.
Thanks again for all your inputs, I know it was a marginal decision and against most other players I would have prob played the hand completely different but because I had noticed this players aggressiveness against blinds in preious sessions it helped me to make a reasonably good call.
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December 18, 2008, 03:21:31 AM »
Quote from: NoflopsHomer on December 17, 2008, 05:31:58 PM
Reraising Q-J is pre is just bad. Better hands never fold and worse hands never call.
disagree. 3b fine is fine, in position v a full stack and a wide range. domination is overrated.
i have issues with your betsize given that you now have a problem. by betting so big on the flop you "force" villain to play shove or fold when you are not certain how to react.
fwiw i think u played this fine aslong as you call. He is repping AA/KK and 88 plus fd's + air.
edit. sigh, just seen that you posted results, glad u called though but let discussion go on a little longer fwiw.
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Quote from: NoflopsHomer on December 17, 2008, 05:31:58 PM
Reraising Q-J is pre is just bad. Better hands never fold and worse hands never call.
do you want ur opponents to always know how you will play? saying that re-raising QJ is bad, is fundamentally a very bad statement.
OP, well played from start to finish, maybe bet a little less on the flop, but in the global scheme, its not that important.
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Re: Interesting blind vs blind situation
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December 18, 2008, 11:35:30 AM »
Thanks again for the input, I was thinking about this hand a lot after it was over and wasn't sure if it was spewy or not.
Looking back now I see I should have let the discussion go on a bit longer, sorry folks.
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December 19, 2008, 02:41:33 PM »
I think flatting is much better then 3 betting. You are in position with a lovely hand to play post-flop. By 3 betting if you get 4bet it sucks as you likely have to fold and even now when you flopped top pair you didn't want to do with it.
As played no way I am potting it with top pair in a 3bet pot and folding
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