A difficult spot

[Thekellster89]

PLaying in a £5/£10 NLHE CASH GAME AT 'THE VIC'.

This is Sunday night last day of the gukpt grand final festival and this is the biggest game going.

Couple of good players Lad called ramsey ramone and Neil Channing, but pretty much an easy table.

Playing about £3,800

and the villian Old guy with a Full Tilt cap who neil has described privately as 'a bad player' is playing £3,300 approx.

Pick up  on the button and following a middle position limper and the villian in the hijack limping i elect to raise to £60.


Middle position limper calls as does the Villain.


So £195 in pot going to the flop.


Flop is  .


Both check to me and i Bet £100.


MP Limper folds , Villain Calls

(Assign him a pretty wide range at this point including flush draws, and stronger hands)

Turn is 


great Card for me, wouldn't mind playing a big pot at this stage.


I bet £300 into the £395 pot


the villain raises to £1,000.

What do i do?

[Jamier-Host]

Make it £2222 and say "is quads good?"

[Thekellster89]

Make it £2222 and say "is quads good?"

v helpful

[Royal Flush]

Need more than 'bad'

Tight bad?
Loose bad?
Agg bad?

[boldie]

why raise 60 pre? I would prefer to keep that smaller.

The bet of 100 (in combination with the 60 big bet pre) looks small all of a sudden...half pot where as you raised 6 BBs pre.

then the pot becomes 395 and you bet 75% of the pot...this seems very inconsistent, he can re-raise with a wide range here because you're not showing strenght at any stage of the hand really.

I reckon you're ahead here more often than not, the only draw out there is the FD so no need to be scared of that. The only hands killing you are 2's and 8's and you'll pay them off, me thinks.....I call here and hope Villains bets into me on the river.

This all especially since you said Villain is "old guy", so he is likely to have a bigger ace than you.

[Thekellster89]

Need more than 'bad'

Tight bad?
Loose bad?
Agg bad?

not been in a hand with him/watched any hands hes been in.

[TheChipPrince]

''Has he got 2's/has he got 8's'', I guess is all your asking yourself

Very difficult to fold, i think our only decision is whether to flat it and get cute, or shove...

[Royal Flush]

Need more than 'bad'

Tight bad?
Loose bad?
Agg bad?

not been in a hand with him/watched any hands hes been in.

Ugh get more classification next time!

Call then call.

[noble1]

totally agree Thekellster89 this is a difficult spot lol it certainly would have me scratching my head if i was in your shoes and with the current reads [or lack of them] that you had.

His betting pattern suggests a big hand,the check call flop,check raise turn line is certainly a strong move by villian and this type of betting pattern is quite wrongly imo ignored by a lot of players.

If i had some sort of read on villian such as him being a tricky agg sort then i'd say he might of played a funky reverse float on you,as it is a line i take sometimes    rather than check call then lead turn,i sometimes check raise the turn oop instead especially if i think the flop bet was weak by my opponent.
But many times when this type of pattern is exhibited there is still many players who are still reluctant to throw there hands away to a check raise,so given your current reads [and his on yourself i assume]  imo the smart play is to fold this situation and watch villians tendencies like a hawk 

sorry guys, i think it is a fold.. dont shoot me 

[Royal Flush]

totally agree Thekellster89 this is a difficult spot lol it certainly would have me scratching my head if i was in your shoes and with the current reads [or lack of them] that you had.

His betting pattern suggests a big hand,the check call flop,check raise turn line is certainly a strong move by villian and this type of betting pattern is quite wrongly imo ignored by a lot of players.

If i had some sort of read on villian such as him being a tricky agg sort then i'd say he might of played a funky reverse float on you,as it is a line i take sometimes    rather than check call then lead turn,i sometimes check raise the turn oop instead especially if i think the flop bet was weak by my opponent.
But many times when this type of pattern is exhibited there is still many players who are still reluctant to throw there hands away to a check raise,so given your current reads [and his on yourself i assume]  imo the smart play is to fold this situation and watch villians tendencies like a hawk 

sorry guys, i think it is a fold.. dont shoot me 

He shows A8/A2....

[noble1]

good shout flushy,i agree that if he villian is bad then it could well be a worse 2 pair..But my gut says a set...but like you said in a post earlier, we have very little info on villians style and i would make a reluctant fold to his check raise on a strange looking board.

[TheChipPrince]

His betting pattern suggests a big hand

Only on the turn, limp/calling pre suggests anything but

[Thekellster89]

OK SO IN THE END I TANKED UP FOR A FULL 5 MINUTES AND WHILST I THOUGHT HE DID HAVE A BIG HAND , I THINK FOLDING TOP 2 HERE COULD BE HORRIBLE.

WHEN I DECIDED I COULDNT FOLD IN THIS SPOT.

IT WAS A CASE OF CALL THE TURN , CALL A SHOVE ON THE RIVER (re evaluate if he dosen't shove the river).

OR SHOVE!!!!

I Decided That by shoving all I achieve is making airballs fold, so just called.

River Card  (ToTAL Blank).

At which point he instantly moves his remaining approx £2,000 into the middle.

I call and am shown 

FML

[TightEnd]

look on the birght side, after this thread its only 120 posts til the staking board is available for you.

[Graham C]

Fold preflop imo