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« Reply #60 on: January 03, 2009, 08:04:41 PM »

Hi Stu,

Played poker with Tom a few times but never yourself. We were playing cash at DTD and he was telling me how infuriated you were when the dealer miscounted your chips when you three bet Pab with AA. How much of a turning point do you think this was in the tourney? Following on from that do you believe in:

Hidden luck (as above if the dealer had counted it correctly maybe Pab would have had to call and we'd be crowning a different champ?) I think Harrington briefly mentions it in HOH

What annoys you about the live game as opposed to online and vice versa? Do you ever tilt when you have a particularly slow player?



Hey Geroge, good questions, and look forward to playing with you finally soon!

-To recap the situation, I had raised 6k  to on the cut-off with  , and been faced with a nice decision after Pab 3-bet from the small blind to 18k. I always try to know almost exactly how much is in my stack, and so knew I had a decision what to do with my last 60k. I decided to push it in, hoping his odds would be good enough to call, and Pab went into the tank. He thought for a few minutes, asked how much it was, and the dealer said "70k". Inside I screamed something I couldn't say out loud, "it's only 60k!, as he thought for a couple more minutes, and eventually made a very good pass.

Now this seems like a massive overreaction to a slight mistake, and it almost defintiely is. It's something that probably would have made no difference at all, but it just might have done. Anyone can make a mistake, and I definitely don't want to feel bad towards a dealer for doing so, but it was the attitude that it symbolised amongst some of the dealers that I found frustrating. 

As I see it, a dealer error, even if far more costly than this, is all part of the luck factor of the game, and therefore is not worth worrying about. I believe in hidden luck, in so far as there are far more factors to luck than just the timing and strength of the hands you get. (Tons of ones, like what hand you miss when you nip to the bar, dealer errors, the fact that a misdeal changes your fate for the whole of the rest of the day)  However, my belief is that hidden luck is something that you can't control and therefore not worth worrying about.  Funnily enough, luck is never a clear thing anyway; in this situation, the possible difference between passing and calling could have spared me a horrible suckout!

There will always be so many things worth thinking about that are under your control, and  the thing about this spot that annoys me is that I got the spot wrong anyway. Everything about it makes the spot perfect for a slowplay before the flop, and I think for me to not do this was a big wimp out!

Going back to the dealers, I guess any dealer can make a mistake, and it should definitely be forgivable. In an ideal world, dealers would not be scared at all of making a mistake, and no players would be unpleasant towards them.  What the dealers should try hard at is the kind of commitment and attention to detail they display at the table.

It is just this one problem I have with the dealers in this country. They are probably technically as good as other dealers, but the attitude seems a little too relaxed for me, and it seems they are willing to settle for doing just a decent job. The reason I was disappointed about this hand is that it feels like it's this attitude that causes them not to be too bothered if they a small mistake like counting out 60k as 70k, and not see the nonsense in suggesting that I should have pointed out it was "only" 60k!

This attitude also causes them not to bother showing cards in a showdown where they should automatically, or showing both of a players cards leaving you feeling rude asking to see both cards in a spot, and causes them not to be sharp about picking up on string bets. There seems to be no encouragement for improvement coming from the top, like there would be with Thomas Kremser's crew of dealers.

- Lol, you've hit the nail on the head. I have just two things that annoy me at the table, and they both seem to come from the same type of players. The slow players are not the ones that once in a while take ages over a big decision, that is absolutely fine. The slow players are the ones that on so many hands check their cards, shuffle them, check them again in case they have changed, say "I raise," check their cards again because it's so tough to remember two cards, put their lucky stone on their cards, and eventually put some chips in the middle just seconds before you decide to kill yourself.

Then there are the players who always take a few seconds to pass when they could do so in a millisecond. This seems to go hand in hand with the other thing that annoys me, and that is players who believe that the game is anything to do with ego. These players see it as a disrespect to their ego when you raise their blind, and give just a little staredown or a comment like "next time I'll re-raise you kid."

One guy seemed fairly serious when he asked "is it personal?" that I had raised his blind twice in a row. I couldn't help myself answering "Of course it's not personal. How could it be personal when I don't even know you? Maybe I've had big hands both times, maybe I'm raising anything on the button,but of course it's not personal."

Not only is it a shame for some people to go against the pleasantness of the table, but the annoying thing is that I think it works for these guys. If most players at the table are passing politely and one is providing us with inspiartional comments like "I don't like stealers," or "are you nicking?", then I think alot of players avoid stealing that one guy's blind.

Sorry, I sound like some grumpy old man who hates dealers and  slow players! What annoys me about the online game?

1) PokerTracker. It changes the skills of the game, and makes crucial the far less exciting skill of colllecting numbers and using them well, and loses the instinct that you have in live poker. If it were possible, I think a big site could do well for itself by announcing a ban on all software like this.

2) A few people are rude online where they just wouldn't be live at all, either berating a bad play or celebrating their own suckouts. My response to this used has always been "would you say that if this were live?"
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« Reply #61 on: January 03, 2009, 08:11:55 PM »

if you were bluffing would you have said it's only 60K?

cake poker has banned PT i think

sweet thread

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« Reply #62 on: January 03, 2009, 08:51:55 PM »

if you were bluffing would you have said it's only 60K?

cake poker has banned PT i think

sweet thread



Lol, good question. I think against some players it may have been a good idea, as they may have suspsected that I was running a double bluff, trying to appear confident. However, I have alot of respect for Pab, and however modest he is, he probably knows this. I think he would have thought about is, wondered why I had said something like that, thought I probably wasn't messing around, and come to the conlcusion that it was genuine. He's too clever basically!

Nice one Cake Poker! Hopefully some other sites will follow suit.
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« Reply #63 on: January 03, 2009, 09:51:35 PM »

If i invented a piece of hardware that looked like this, that you could plug into your computer and let you play 37 tables simultaneously as well as you could play 1 would you wear it and how much would you pay me?

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« Reply #64 on: January 03, 2009, 09:52:43 PM »

Hi again Stu,

have you ever found balancing poker with other things in life difficult?

What was the weirdest thing you've ever witnessed at the table?
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« Reply #65 on: January 03, 2009, 10:31:42 PM »

wow, this is some well.
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« Reply #66 on: January 03, 2009, 10:38:28 PM »

epic answers-appreciated!!!
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« Reply #67 on: January 03, 2009, 10:49:52 PM »

If i invented a piece of hardware that looked like this, that you could plug into your computer and let you play 37 tables simultaneously as well as you could play 1 would you wear it and how much would you pay me?



Of course I would. That's only slightly more ridiculous than some of the hats I've worn anyway. I'd give you 10% of the profits.
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« Reply #68 on: January 03, 2009, 10:59:41 PM »

If i invented a piece of hardware that looked like this, that you could plug into your computer and let you play 37 tables simultaneously as well as you could play 1 would you wear it and how much would you pay me?



Of course I would. That's only slightly more ridiculous than some of the hats I've worn anyway. I'd give you 10% of the profits.

10% is nice...but can you get him a blonde T-shirt?
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« Reply #69 on: January 03, 2009, 11:49:47 PM »

Hi again Stu,

have you ever found balancing poker with other things in life difficult?

What was the weirdest thing you've ever witnessed at the table?

1) Not so much really, but I think it's probably taken lucky circumstances and a bit of care to make it fit. It actually fitted a hole, that was left by having to stop what I previously spend loads of time doing. I used to do all kind of sports and spent loads of time doing athletics at university, but had to stop due to some wierd fatigue problem. I'd basically tired myself out, I had run a couple of marathons as well, and do this day just can't really can't do anything at all without getting completely knackered. So, it came along at exactly the right time to give me something to do, and satisfy that competitive instinct!

Now, of course, it has become much more than a hobby!  It just about fits time wise, as long as I'm always to get myself off the internet when I need to. Apart from the late nights, one slight problem with live poker is having to spend alot of time away from home. My girlfriend works hard all week and, like a normal person, has her spare time at the weekend. So, it's a bit of a blow when the tournaments eat into the weekend so much. She's great at being understanding, but I imagine I might have to cut a bit out in a few years time!

2) Definitely the wierdest thing was on the bubble of one of the WSOP events in Vegas. An old American guy not only passed aces to an all-in before the flop, but proudly showing it and saying how many times he had seen them outdrawn! He then looked a bit surprised five minutes later when he made a normal raise and someone decided to re-pop him!

Wierd things that happen just away from the table all have one thing is common. They all involve Matt Dale. I remember being at the bar at Bolton casino with him when we had both busted out early. A couple of pints is alot for Matt, and so the drunken banter was flowing loudly, mainly about plans for chatting up girls. Nobody around us minded at all, but one of the locals picked up from Matt's hilarious accent that he might not be from these parts, and kindly gave him a warning. Bolton is not the prettiest of places, and so we listened carefully when this guy pointed out "See the girls over there, avoid going near them mate,  the two guys with them are drug dealers." It seemed pretty sound advice, these guys were about 6'6 in all directions.

Matt is a great polite lad, and so thanked them, and seemed to have understood the advice. The problem is that a couple more pints can change alot for Matt, and he soon found himself plaiyng roulette. He found himself next to a couple of pretty girls, and so naturally started chatting them up in the way only he can. They seemed to be near two fairly big guys, but Matt was too busy splashing his chips around for this to ring any bells. In fact, he loves a bit of banter, and if the guys put £2 on a number, Matt would overshadow slightly by putting £100 or so of his own on the same number.

I could hear four letter mutterings already; the drug dealers somehow didn't seem too happy that someone was chatting up their girls and taking the mickey out of their bets. I overheard one worrying plan, which was to pretend to invite him back to a party, so that they could "do him over."

 The girls seemed more ambivalent themselves, and maybe mthere was still chance for Matt to recover it. I was sketching out slightly as one of ther girls asked him "Here yaaaaaaa, which do you think is better, Bolton or Wigan?" Matt thought for a couple of seconds, but had a stroke of genius. He managed to remember the name of the town he was in, and proudly said, "Ah, Bolton is much better, Wigan is absolutely SHIT."

"Ah, that's funny, cus we're from down the road in Wigan." Such a shame that it had to end, but I had Matt with me in a taxi back within about 30 seconds!
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« Reply #70 on: January 04, 2009, 01:51:09 AM »

When the dealer counts out 70k you say, "No, I think it's a bit more than that". Dealer is now forced to recount. Not only does he now reach the correct lower figure of 60k it gives your oppo the impression the call, which was momentarily at a higher figure, is now a cut-price deal. The cherry is your oppo thinks you're wanting the bet to be higher rather than lower.
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« Reply #71 on: January 04, 2009, 01:55:04 AM »

When the dealer counts out 70k you say, "No, I think it's a bit more than that". Dealer is now forced to recount. Not only does he now reach the correct lower figure of 60k it gives your oppo the impression the call, which was momentarily at a higher figure, is now a cut-price deal. The cherry is your oppo thinks you're wanting the bet to be higher rather than lower.

Level 4 shit! like it mantis!

Thanks for the detailed responses stu - awesome well!
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« Reply #72 on: January 08, 2009, 01:31:57 AM »

I've never played or even met Mr Rutter and I don't even have a question for him. but I'd just like to say, he really sounds like a nice rounded modest chap, without an ounce of ego or mallice towards another player which i find quite refreshing. Funny that your two most annoying things about live poker are exactly the same as mine. My favourite being the stare-check cards -stare-look at my stack-stare- look at his own stack-stare-tut-stare-check cards again-stare-riffle some more-stare-ask me what they want me to do( sorry, but this one gets me every time and I usually piss myself laughing and look for a waitress to order a cappuccino)-stare-re re re check & shuffle cards- stare and f~ck me 5 Min's and 38 secs later they always stare-FOLD !!!. It's also is very obvious that you've taken this In the well interview very seriously with some really well written and articulate answers. A really nice interesting read and good luck for the future.

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« Reply #73 on: January 08, 2009, 03:46:11 AM »

You love to write dont u m8!

Impressive well.
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« Reply #74 on: January 08, 2009, 06:33:11 AM »

No disrepect to others in the well, but have found this one to be the most interesting and informative to read.
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