WALSALL GROSVENOR £200 D/C FREEZEOUT

[MANTIS01]

Would appreciate some opinions on this hand.

148 starters in this and we are down to the last 38. Blinds at 400/800. There are 1.2m chips in play so the average is around 30k. We've had a couple of hits and find ourselves struggling at around half that, circa 17k. Our table has just broken and this is the 3rd hand at our new table, so no info on villain, except the fact he is well stacked.

Villain raises to 2,400 from mp and we look down to see 10-10 in the bb...so another 1,600 to call. Does anyone push here? 4-5k less and this becomes a push for me but pushing for 17k seems excessive, gets most hands I beat folding, and raising gets me kinda committed. So I call and we go to the flop with 5,200 in the pot. Opinions on the pre-flop action?

Flop comes     

I check and big stack bets 2,400. What is your preferred line here? I figured if I CRAI only an Ace calls and all other hands fold, so I make a floating type call but still feel I could have the best of it. Am interested to see what he does on the turn if a brick hits.

on the turn makes a board of

     

I check again and villain puts me all-in. What do you do?

[Royal Flush]

antes in this comp?

[MANTIS01]

antes in this comp?

Not at this stage. Kick in at 1k/2k at Walsall.

[Royal Flush]

antes in this comp?

Not at this stage. Kick in at 1k/2k at Walsall.

Ever seen him before?

[MANTIS01]

No

[bolt pp]

What colour shoes was he wearing?

[MANTIS01]

He looked like a loafer kind of guy, but considering I couldn't see his feet I could only speculate about colour. Let's say brown. Brown fecking loafers. With those tassle things. ok.

[Royal Flush]

In that case i am thinking he probs plays a bit online given he is playing a £200 and you have never seen him before so i am going to suggest a really small 3 bet pre to induce a 4 bet shove, against anyone else they would think ZOMG small 3 bet must be AA!!

[MANTIS01]

Nah, the guy was about 60. A 60 year-old-loafer-wearing-tassle-dad type, so would deffo put internet and new fangled in the same sentence. So he would think A-A if I did that.

[Royal Flush]

Nah, the guy was about 60. A 60 year-old-loafer-wearing-tassle-dad type, so would deffo put internet and new fangled in the same sentence. So he would think A-A if I did that.

Just jam pre then.

[MANTIS01]

Nah, the guy was about 60. A 60 year-old-loafer-wearing-tassle-dad type, so would deffo put internet and new fangled in the same sentence. So he would think A-A if I did that.

Just jam pre then.

Fair enough. As played would you be more inclined to call or fold?

[hatthehole]

Nah, the guy was about 60. A 60 year-old-loafer-wearing-tassle-dad type, so would deffo put internet and new fangled in the same sentence. So he would think A-A if I did that.

Just jam pre then.

Fair enough. As played would you be more inclined to call or fold?

live reads here imo. make him sweat for a couple of minutes then decide. online its a fold i think.

[MANTIS01]

Nah, the guy was about 60. A 60 year-old-loafer-wearing-tassle-dad type, so would deffo put internet and new fangled in the same sentence. So he would think A-A if I did that.

Just jam pre then.

Fair enough. As played would you be more inclined to call or fold?

live reads here imo. make him sweat for a couple of minutes then decide. online its a fold i think.

Difficult to read a guy you've never played with before after just 3 hands. What default behaviour would you be comparing it to?

[totalise]

Nah, the guy was about 60. A 60 year-old-loafer-wearing-tassle-dad type, so would deffo put internet and new fangled in the same sentence. So he would think A-A if I did that.

Just jam pre then.

Fair enough. As played would you be more inclined to call or fold?

live reads here imo. make him sweat for a couple of minutes then decide. online its a fold i think.

thats pretty interestin, I was thinking the opposite, that it would be more likely to be a call online as I'd assume that the robots would (generally) check the turn with hands like  weakA/KK/QQ/JJ/draws either flopped or backdoored,  for pot control etc and jam it with hands that have close to no showdown value OR hands like big ace/ sets etc,  whereas live they could easily just slam it in without thinking with stuff like KK--JJ, and the profile of the player makes it quite likely this person could fit such a character.. but you are really great online player and I dont play live, so pretty much Im just babbling.

Id jam it in pre, and as played, prolly fold the turn as his bet sizing from the flop --->  stink and I'd make a laser like (incorrect) read and put him on JJ--KK

[bolt pp]

He looked like a loafer kind of guy, but considering I couldn't see his feet I could only speculate about colour. Let's say brown. Brown fecking loafers. With those tassle things. ok.

pfft, I know poker's a game of incomplete info but seriously?

I drop a chip near his chair for info.