Flopped set on a 3 heart board

[StuartHopkin]

DTD £300 freezeout.

Rough recollection of the hand but you will get the idea.

75/150 most people have circa 10k

6 limpers on my BB
I look down at    and make it 700 more to play.

Midposition caller and the button.

Flop comes down 

Im a little confused in this situation and decide to check to see what happens. (Thoughts please)
Midposition bets out 1800
Button raises to 3650

What the hell do i do with my set?
Should one of them have the made flush?
Do my outs justify a shove anyway?

Further action to follow.......... 

[NoflopsHomer]

Check pre. Shove now.

[GreekStein]

have to ask noble on this one. The bet and raise contain information - I'm just not sure what it is.

Sick spot tho

[Newmanseye]

i think shove here, rthe reraiser is not the one i would fear at this point it sthe initial raiser, he probably bet out with his big pair with a heart, the reraiser is trying to protect his ace tbh from what i see anyways but i suck like a dyson.

its a shove for me you have the redraw anyways.

[kinboshi]

Shove - one of them has KJo.

[MANTIS01]

Firstly, I would say offering no information about either oppo's playing style or your own image means that we are just guessing based on the action alone. So the guesses are not going to be all that accurate. This is the 3rd level so there must be something that will help us get to the bottom of this. No less than 6 limpers suggests the table's a bit nitty and they don't juice the pot without a hand.

You take quite a strong line pre-flop and that is ok, but you then freeze and check the flop which I don't get. You are going to get business from Aces and single hearts in this situation so a c-bet is ideal imo. And having it checked around and seeing a 4th heart drop would be horrible for you. If you bet out and it went raise, re-raise, you would deffo be in trouble imo. So I think a c-bet would clarify the situation for you better, as well as serving to build a bigger pot. As it stands it's difficult not to think you're in trouble anyway. It's tough to put either oppo on 2-pair considering you hold two of the 7's and obv a set of Aces is impossible. The best you could hope for is the first guy holding an Ace and the 2nd guy holding a set of 4's. It's difficult to think early in a £300 event the limping nits have found their balls and are pumping it up light here, especially min-raise guy who must surely have the flush already.

[Geo the Sarge]

I don't post often on PHA but I'm learning so I'll have a bash.

I think the opposite of Billy,

I think the button may well have better than MP guy.

I bet the flop here probs 1800-2000, by betting I feel I have more control of the pot. By not betting here I think MP guy is on a steal as he thinks buttton made up for value and MP has Ax at the most.

Button may recognise this and is playing to isolate/take the pot, although poss has a decent flush draw.


I shove here too

Geo

(now show me I'm a complete novice.)

[MANTIS01]

Maybe Geo, but I can't see these still-on-their-starting-stacks-limpers suddenly turning into steal-re-stealers on a 3 heart board early in a £300 comp. It's like John Sergeant suddenly turning into John Travolta. I can see button boy making a shitty call with  on the button though.

[Geo the Sarge]

Maybe Geo, but I can't see these still-on-their-starting-stacks-limpers suddenly turning into steal-re-stealers on a 3 heart board early in a £300 comp. It's like John Sergeant suddenly turning into John Travolta. I can see button boy making a shitty call with  on the button though.

Yes mate, I never worded to well.

When I say to isolate/take the pot I'm thinking possible made flush (am also thinking nitty pre call by button), however there is still the possibility he's on the flush draw. and with my redraws here I still shove.

Hope this makes sense

Geo

[StuartHopkin]

Check pre. Shove now.

Surely if i check pre I would be in an even tougher spot now?

[StuartHopkin]

Shove - one of them has KJo.

Yes yes, your mother had KJo 

[StuartHopkin]

Firstly, I would say offering no information about either oppo's playing style or your own image means that we are just guessing based on the action alone. So the guesses are not going to be all that accurate. This is the 3rd level so there must be something that will help us get to the bottom of this. No less than 6 limpers suggests the table's a bit nitty and they don't juice the pot without a hand.

You take quite a strong line pre-flop and that is ok, but you then freeze and check the flop which I don't get. You are going to get business from Aces and single hearts in this situation so a c-bet is ideal imo. And having it checked around and seeing a 4th heart drop would be horrible for you. If you bet out and it went raise, re-raise, you would deffo be in trouble imo. So I think a c-bet would clarify the situation for you better, as well as serving to build a bigger pot. As it stands it's difficult not to think you're in trouble anyway. It's tough to put either oppo on 2-pair considering you hold two of the 7's and obv a set of Aces is impossible. The best you could hope for is the first guy holding an Ace and the 2nd guy holding a set of 4's. It's difficult to think early in a £300 event the limping nits have found their balls and are pumping it up light here, especially min-raise guy who must surely have the flush already.

Apologies for the lack of info Mantis, I was just trying to get the main bits down before I went to sleep.
Trying to block out what followed during the night I would say the following about the two players involved.

MP - Seemed to know what he was doing, took a lot of thought over most bets, had taken a battering but worked his stack back up to 10kish.
Button - Again seemed pretty solid, hadnt been involved in too many hands.

Sorry if thats a bit lacking but, im trying to blank out what i learnt through the rest of the evening.

[StuartHopkin]

I don't post often on PHA but I'm learning so I'll have a bash.

I think the opposite of Billy,

I think the button may well have better than MP guy.

I bet the flop here probs 1800-2000, by betting I feel I have more control of the pot. By not betting here I think MP guy is on a steal as he thinks buttton made up for value and MP has Ax at the most.

Button may recognise this and is playing to isolate/take the pot, although poss has a decent flush draw.


I shove here too

Geo

(now show me I'm a complete novice.)

Thanks for posting Geo.

The line i was taking was that if one of them bet, i could reraise, this would look strong and define my situation well.
When MP bet and the Button happily reraised it caught me a little of guard.

[TheChipPrince]

Check pre. Shove now.

Surely if i check pre I would be in an even tougher spot now?

I would always check pre here, your out of postion with more than likely 2 over cards a lot of the time, can't see what raising here does.

As it is now, I'd shove, if one has the flush already, your nearly getting the odds to call even if he turns it face up...

[gatso]

stu, what was your thinking pf? the bet size seems a little odd to me with 6 limpers